I will post a new picture soon. My nikon that I have the card has been water damaged because I repaired my fathers roof and sealed all of the vents except when I got the one to my room, then I forgot and my room flooded. My card got damaged so rather then spend money to buy a new one I have a friend Leonard who has offered me a change to receive a new one for taking pictures of his antique tractors and advertising for him. Leonard said in about a week he will need my help again so the picture will have to wait but I can post the old picture keep in mind I side with the coin community that had determined that this coin is a zinc penny possibly coated and from my findings online if you melt one of the copper coated 1983 cents they should become brassy. The coolest thing is that kyle has taken a liking to coins now because of the oddity regardless of value or no extra value. Keep in mind I Greatly Value this coin as well as my hoard of 1982 small date copper cents with
no mint mark regardless of mintage simply because while coin roll hunting I have never found alot of them and because when I had a security clearance I read everything I could find on the governments states and federal governments actions taken on coins. It is my oppinion that the 1982 small date cents have been used in the past to stretch copper specimens by melting process. The way to tell if you are getting a genuine piece of copper ore versus an enhanced copper nugget or specimen would be the same as trying to figure this coin out by XRF test in my oppinion. Another thing I discovered while buying old coin books is if you buy the old
ANA publications of the numismatist for example I have the April 1944 version of the numismatist and I find it to be one of my favorites for finding rare flying eagle specimens that have lesser known origin for example I found a brass 1856
Flying Eagle cent and additional info on a brass version of the cent made as trial pattern and when reading in the Pennsylvania state university library online through a friend from Vermont Technical College who still had a log in as a former student at the time in 2017, while reading I learned about a man named Joseph Wharton a mine owner in 1853 if I remember correctly and that his mine was where the new metal for the first small cents whould have came from. I also read about a jewler who obtained one
Flying Eagle cent with no date and a brass
Flying Eagle cent made of brazil brass that he duplicated and fashioned a date of 1856 on 12 specimens. The 12 specimen copies plus the original brass flying eagle were known as the dirty dozen if I remember correctly. The article went into detail about how one specimen was lost in the mail while 12 other specimens were stamped copy by the secret service. I did find a brass 1856 flying eagle to purchase on
ebay in a private auction which I won for 500 Euros and still have the token today as it was advertised token or replica however while chatting with the seller I asked if she would point me in the direction of where I could get more of these tokens as I though they must be a copy made in China of the real pattern probably just in a private collection some where so clearly a hoarder can obtain more for his or her exonomia or fakes library! So I asked the question and the lady responded by saying no that coin is not a copy at all it was a reproduction sent by mistake to a bar in Newbedford Oxfordshire where it was called the bar token and was to remain their for people to buy a beer for some one and was supposed to never leave the bar. She said that the bar closed and eventually became a flat or apartment and was left as it was known at the time that it was not real but to me it is priceless. I chatted for a while and she told me about the Mormons and the Amish being involved in the production of some tokens resembling coins that where never made for example who has ever heard of a 1856 small date cent made on a bronze planchet instead of a cooper nickel planchet? I was enthused by what the lady had to say that if you asked her all those flying eagles their fun but unfortunately alot of them are after market products, she told me study what you enjoy and don't just write off every coin not matching a definitive description of the coin you desire as worthless more specifically because your a collector so collect, if your not concerned with selling it then it's real because it's in your hands. I did more research by reading a few harpers weekly article clippings from a friend while she was alive that indicated that some Mormon men were caught counterfeiting coins however it mostly mentioned gold coins and just never really specified what coins were counterfeited. I wrote one name down to look up in the library but my friend denied me access as he said he would look up the name with
Flying Eagle cents with a / next to his name in the search bar an d tell me what he found out. He let me know that Levi McCormick the name I wrote down from the harpers weekly article was a person that received many counterfeits as he collected many things. The second thing he told me was that it was rumored that instead of selling the tokens he traded them for spices and silk to Chinese immigrants who brought them back to China where they were kept like a trophy as a real American rarity however when they were discovered to be not real they were taken out of the Shenghai Museum an some were sent to be copied and distributed through companies in China to sell to the world. This stumped me because no where online could I find the 1856 bronze small date
Flying Eagle cent. In 2017-2018 I met a Chinese young man named Justin at our local community college and showed him my small collection flying eagle specimens some real or genuine and some not real or flying eagles bought in American Eagle Outfitters in the mall in Vermont where I used to live in necklaces as souvenir penny necklaces and back then any flying eagle was either in the hands of a friend with faint date at best or a recreation found in select retailers who could sell them on a necklace. I bought so many of those things at 14.99-28.00 and I keep them in the fakes section or folder. So my friend Justin was able to help me find dealer on a site called Allie Baba I think its called and he said their are two that were on loan from the Shenghai Museum that were being copied and that If I wanted two I would have to buy all 28 copies advertised and as a good gesture he would get the other two sent to me. So I bought all of the specimens which most were awful some shiny some dull but clearly newer copper red and I was disheartened and confused as to why did I trust this guy. And then about a year later I received each specimen as promised in the mail both were in PCGS cases but labeled with the same certification number and when I looked up the number the coin in the case does not match the image on the PCGS website. I was so happy unfortunately I made Justin more popular among friends I had made at the local college and they were mad because Justin supposedly was stealing social security numbers but I can't prove that so It's best to take their oppinion with a grain of salt and just be thankful he didn't steal mine. The two oddities of 1856 small letters style flying eagle are unique as instead of having the Christian Goebrecht Flying eagle design it appears to have Longacre's Peete or image of the late mint directors pet eagle which was mentioned to have been used on the 1855 pattern large cent flying eagle in the past. I still search for what I consider rare tokens and genuine flying eagles still to this day. The reason I mention all of this is because well my brass 1856 flying eagle token should be considered legal to own as of 2008 as the counterfeiting was of a non-issued specimen not a coin and that it is over 100 years old. The second reason is because my 1983 brass zinc cent found in change should be considered the North Vermont specimen Home of the North Hero Golden Eagles the elementary school mascot. The coin was sourced from change purchased from the Peoples United branch in Swanton Vermont found at 3:33pm eastern standard time 14 September 2016. The other topic of interest is that from using this website the coin community I recall some one showing a 1856 brass
Flying Eagle cent as ingenuine specimen to be observed as a reference and further more If that specimen is going to be sold please invite me to the auction! I could care less if its not real specifically because I have read the April 1944 version of the
ANA publication the Numismatist and would love to own another specimen and would love any stories you have about its origin! Another topic I would like to shine a light on is that the 1944-d steel cents that were found in a box of pennies were found to be ingenuine by a local coin shop as I sent a friend to have one of the rusty ones looked at as all but one in my collection are identical. The funny thing is my friend a local trader of anything and everything said she first found out that the specimen was not real and then the shop owner tried to buy it for 100 dollars cash. I find that quite odd as what could anybody do with that? I also started using google to find matches for other mint marks and found the s mint marks on E-crater, luckily one 1944 no mintmark was kept from an old jax set along with some 1974 aluminum cents from the Essex Junction Ben Franklin store in 1988 bought for me to play with by an uncle of mine. The newer business that stands in its place is a Lowes on Suzie Wilson road modern day. So the cool thing is I gave Justin a few specimens to take back to China hoping copies could be made and eventually surface for all collectors to enjoy but I haven't seen good enough examples yet to bid on. I couldn't give him my only 1944 steel version as I only have one but he did receive all 1943 copper versions that were sourced from multiple sources so many that I can't fathom where any came from originally and all are not real and have been verified by a coin person who told me specifically any cent after 1918 not showing vdb under Lincolns bust is a tell tale sign of a replica not a genuine cent. So justin has all three pds versions of the 1943 copper ones and two 1944's a 1944-s bought on e-crater originally and the 1944-d steel all not real but cool and one 1974 aluminum toy penny which he could get copies made and hopefully I will find them on Allie Baba some day for sale to hoard as may as I can afford on a budget. I have not been able to find Justin on social media anywhere since his move back to China to work for his father in the textile industry. If I ever do find him as he has the ability to get anything copied I would like to see the altered 1983 brass zinc cent copied and as well an even nicer 2.76 gram 1983-D cent I bought from a lady for 5 dollars. My belief is that the 1983
no mint mark may have been accurately diagnosed as a copper coated coin and that is why the weight is so high but that does not explain other people on here, their coins for example the 1983-D 2.9 gram specimen. The reason I say this is because I have a 1983-d 2.76 gram specimen and to make it weigh more it would make since if it was plated with copper why it would weigh more and from melting would be considered brassy. I have sort of changed from hoarding coins and tokens to cards and stamps and trinkets like the Corvallis Oregon church brass stamper and other trinkets that just seem cool to me. I did however get my babe Ruth book marker checked and turns out its not a base ball card but a biscuit company card that has mrs ruths signature for babe ruth on it so its worth about 8 dollars according to a friend I work with. I also got a hoard of cards a Michael Jordan 1984 olympic undersized card that has a COA for the signature but the card guy from the magic shop down town here said the cool thing about the card is that it looks like one you would have to get from a vendor prior to the real card being available to the public but he said never sell it as the card appears to be marked with razor blade cuts. He told me some collectors have done this in the past to do shady business for example mark the card certify like dna so it can be identified from other cards and break it out of the case, sell the card privately then when the new owner certifies the card to be sold it will be caught if the original owner reports the card stolen and identifiable by the markings on the card. The hoard of cards were all well known names micheal,mickey,lou Garig but I'm skeptical all were purchased for $40 and Mickey, Michael and yogi were all signed in marker some with coa some without coa. The lady who got the 1944-d steel cent rusty specimen connected me with a lady that I think will be a great learning experience to hang out with. She is 81 years young and my friend told me this free food event was being canceled and if I showed up early so would she and If I just got out to talk about the free food days getting canceled I could introduce myself. My friend with the 1944-d steel rusty specimen helped me out but at the same since she blocked me on social media and left me with something of a gift one she got me to talk to the 81 year old lady who turns out to be a previous owner of the antique shops here in town and an ex-auctioneer so I got a new friend, and I was left a 1986 Micheal Jordan rookie card and I have reprints so I compared my reprint which are in identical graded cases same number as well which indicates only one can be real but the new gift left for me by my friend who blocked me primarily for introducing her to a couple from Panama City Florida I met at a liquor store and was happy to see all the rare baseball cards they had over priced as for a single card of rare variety I like a dollar fifty these jokers thought their cards were worth thousands however I don't think so I remember many old timers saying cards are the biggest waist of money and I believe them but some have intrinsic or personal value to hold one in my hands is so cool. So the thing I discovered about my new Michael Jordan 1986 rookie card is that it appears authentic it has an orange arrow next to the premier label in lue of a yellow error as clearly visible on a reprint it has clear lettering at the bottom of the card and on the reverse of the card the bulls eyes are clear and prominent unlike a reprint that has sort of blended bull eyes and blurry background when held up side by side with a reprint. I hope my old friend re-friends me and unblocks me but if not I'm going to knock on her door next week as she is just right down the road from me. I think due to the volume of rare collectables the couple from Panama City scared her and her boy friend because they try to stay clear of possible stolen goods. The cool thing I got from the visitors from Pamana city Florida was a print out from online to verify two fake signatures of babe ruth and who is suspected of forging them one is his secretary and the other is his wife LOL. I didn't however get the guy to move on any sales with me I offered him $50 for a mickey he had which to me is worth like $5.00 because baseball cards are just not popular anymore but he acted like it was worth god 5,000 what a joker this is small town America not New York City or Vegas! I cut ties with that couple because if my friends think they are trouble they usually are. Oh one last coin thing I was researching this flying eagle pattern with no date I think it was called jud 184 but don't quote me on that I'm not browsing that right now and I found what looked like one online so I bought it. Turns out while having a guy who doesn't collect coins or tokens but understands the minting process we only know each other from concealed carry class he verified to me that it looks like I have a flying eagle mistrike a coin where the date is not minted on the coin but the reef on the back is high but smushed at the corn stalks. When I post the picture of the coin I will try to post new pictures of my Michael card the new one that looks in my oppinion to be genuine and my new dateless mistrike flying eagle for an exhausting price of 76.00 for the flying eagle.
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