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Edited by Blastenpene4
08/12/2023 4:21 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
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Ouch! That really hurts, Blastenpene. Sorry that you have to go through the disappointment and hassle because of an unscrupulous seller.
Inordinately fascinated by bits of metal with strange markings and figures
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Bedrock of the Community
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Completely deceptive, glad you can return it.
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I still can't understand this. Don't these folks know that these coins will be closely inspected. Just makes no sense to me. Not like it's something you can sneak by.
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Other thing that bothers me as a collector, is the damage done to what seems to have been a pretty nice little coin.
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Bedrock of the Community
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There are some ebay sellers whose business model is based on the fact that if the coin ends up not being what was expected, a number of buyers feel that it's their fault for not looking more closely and 'buyer beware' and so will not pursue the return process if one is available, along with the difficulty of having to pay ship the coin back, etc. Sometimes the seller is legitimately not able to take good pictures, but I think this verges more into the realm of deceptive listings - when the photos are done in such a manner as to conceal defects that would otherwise cause buyers to pass it over. This is why I if I still buy coins on the Bay I usually only buy from sellers with a minimum 14 day return privilege, if not 30 days. Member ANA - EAC - TNA - SSDC - CCT #890 "Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done." -- Louis D. Brandeis |
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This dealer has a 30-day return. I will say that I've returned some coins to "no returns" dealers using a suggestion I got on this site. This is for coins (not unlike the Half Dime) that have pictures that don't show damage (either sloppily or purposefully) or other problems accurately. I've simply contacted the dealer with pictures comparing his listing photos with my coin-in-hand photos. "Your picture doesn't show the problem - I'd like a refund." I had ebay intervene on my behalf once, when the dealer tried to back out, but I got my money back. Can't remember who suggested that strategy, but it hasn't failed me yet. That said, I still try to deal with 30 day return dealers. |
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Yeah, it's always worth the attempt. Most reasonable sellers who are not scammers will take a refund against their own policy than risk hits to their DSR and negative feedback.
Member ANA - EAC - TNA - SSDC - CCT #890 "Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done." -- Louis D. Brandeis |
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paralyse, it was probably you that suggested this approach to me. If so, thanks. It's served me well.
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the photos were meant to deceive. I hope you keep a list of these people to know who to stay away from. could it be a mistake and just a bad photo...maybe. take a look at the other posts from them to see a pattern. thats really bad
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Yes, I do keep a list of dealers to avoid because of things like this. Just added this guy.
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I'm keeping it real.
You should know better than this by now.
All of the angles and the tricks sellers do when selling are for a reason.
Be a smart buyer now, otherwise you're asking for these issues when making these purchases.
You realize when you know how to think, it empowers you far beyond those who know only what to think.
-Neil deGrasse Tyson
Edited by NumismaticsFTW
08/13/2023 5:29 pm
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I completely understand what you're saying, but at the same time I have bought some really nice coins that were poorly photographed. The seller's pictures looked good and he gave a 30 day return. It's a bit of a crap shoot. Sometimes they're just bad pictures and nothing more, not nefarious, just poorly done.
Edited by Blastenpene4
08/13/2023 7:22 pm
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NumismaticFTW, I'm going to respond again because I've been thinking about this and your comment. From an investment standpoint, a collector/investor would probably be smart to buy attractive slabbed coins and pay market value (or slightly more) for the guarantee of authenticity. The open auction is much more interesting to me. Some sellers are trying to sell you a misrepresented coin - trying to keep track of those - but some folks are people who have no idea how to photograph coins. I bought an 1881 Indian a while back that everyone flagged - bad pictures - turned out to be a beauty. The bad pictures made me get a really good deal on a nice coin. I think a big part of the fun of the hobby is looking for that cherry pick. Yes, I've gotten some stinkers and sent most of them back. I've also bought a few that I was steered away from on this site because of weak pictures that turned out to be great coins that I felt happy to have bought. I'm willing to take a risk (or several of them) to try to find a keeper. To me it's part of the fun. Your mileage may vary.
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I'm kind of with you Blastenpene4. I loved the hunt and finding a great deal every once in a while. I only own a handful of graded coins. got burned multiple times from my early choices as I was young and had no idea what a details coin was but I have great memories of acquiring them and filling the hole. one dissapointment was my 09S vdb. bought it when I was 16. graded it XF40. sent it off about 1 year ago and it came back XF details Genuine. not what I was expecting but it is what it is. it took a lot of hours to pay for that one back then. would I sell it...no way
its almost always a crap shot when buying raw from a photo however sometimes folks are not in the vicinity of an LCS to actually be able to handle a coin first. the only thing I would do is exactly what you are doing. post the photos here to get several eyes on the coin first to reduce the risk
this would have been a tough one. it was well angled and lighted to hide pretty much everything. the right field did show something going on but if I was assessing it from the photo I probably would have dismissed it for the most part.
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08/14/2023 07:56 am
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I only follow one rule: never gamble more than you're willing to lose.
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