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Do you perhaps know more about the background of this coin? I don't know if I need to clean it further, but I think I can now decipher the following: BADAVISA(E)VA(MAIV) Where the D is mirrored. I haven't been able to find these letter combinations yet. Any idea?   |
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Pillar of the Community
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This coin isn't lettered with the Roman alphabet we use in the west.
You'll need to first determine whether the letters are Greek or Cyrillic. It is certainly employing one of those two writing systems.
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Yes these are from our alphabet but with Gothic letterforms. I agree it is likely a jeton.
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
-----King Adz
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New Member
Netherlands
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Thanks for the warm welcome!
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United States
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I can't make out the obverse central design, but the reverse looks like one commonly used in French & Low Countries jetons of the 14th-15th century. The obverse lettering points to late 14th to early 15th century. The size & metal also implies it is a jeton rather than a circulating coin. There are a couple primary references for jetons: Dugniolle (19th century) & Mitchiner (recent). There's a site covering the former, run by a Dutch numismatic author, here: http://www.dugniolle.com/The latter contains 4-5 volumes that will run you around $100 each -- you'd be looking at the first two volumes for coins like yours. (Unfortunately, I have yet to acquire any myself.) |
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A number of similar types were struck in Tournai. https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=2012752https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=1067762Normally the legend on the side corresponding to your first photo would be AVE MARIA GRACIA (the first words of the prayer) or variant. I agree yours appears to have different lettering. The letter you think is a D is more likely a gothic C, so BACAVISA . I searched under Beauvais, but no luck. Your reverse has a cross, possibly with letters A in each corner, inside a quatrefoil with letter A in each corner. I thought perhaps Artois or Arras, but could not find.  |
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New Member
Netherlands
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I will search through these dugniolle-links the coming days between work, thanks for that.
I can't find AVE MARIA either. Beauvais in Latin is Caesaromagus, but Bavay is Bagacum. Maybe -> BACA?
I now recognize the 4 A's outside the quatrefoil too.
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I dared to clean it up a bit, and indeed it seems to look like the Tournai coins. You can see the Fleur de lis now, so there may have been a crown underneath!  |
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