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How Rare/Valuable Is This WW2 German Coin

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 Posted 08/18/2023  3:50 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Myles444 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Long story short, my greatgrandfather was a Czech migrant to South America, he started his pawn shop in 1909 in a town founded by Swiss, Germans and Austrians. In 1949, he met a German war veteran, they were neighbours and they became friends, one day the German veteran gifted my greatgrandpa all his possesions related to the Nazi regime. Months later he committed suicide. Almost all of those possesions were sold except this coin I inherited. From what I searched it looks like it's a token given by the NSDAP to the people who donated 1 gold steiermark to the cause in Salzburg, Austria but there's not much information about it and Numista.com classifies it as a rare coin, so not sure how much is worth or how rare it is, if someone knows more about the coin I'd appreciate some response.

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 Posted 08/18/2023  7:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kanga to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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I don't think it's a coin.
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 Posted 08/18/2023  7:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Myles444 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It is a coin. Just not a currency coin, these were issued between 1934 and 1938 as far as I could search
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 Posted 08/18/2023  7:53 pm  Show Profile   Check Pacificoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Pacificoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No it is not a coin , it is a privately issued commemorative token .
There are Hitler Portrait medals as well but there was never a
German mint issued coin with the terrible individuals portrait on it .
Adolf Hitler facing left to front with inscription, "Der Führer des deutschen Volkes". Reverse has eagle, wreath & swastika with inscription, "N.S.D.A.P Hitlerbewegung Gau Salzburg - Muster Gesch - 1 Schilling Kampfspende". Struck in aluminum. 30mm aluminum. C-18 in the Colbert-Hyder book. They generally sell for 50 Bucks give or take .
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 Posted 08/18/2023  10:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
"Coin" has a technical meaning: an item issued by a government, and intended for use as general circulating money and/or assigned a legal tender face value. This item does not fit into the classification as a "coin"; it was issued by the NSDAP party (not the German or Austrian government) at a time when Austria was not yet fully under Nazi German rule, and was not intended for use as money.

Adolf Hitler famously refused to put his portrait on coins. Apparently he saw that as the right of a king, and believed he would not earn that right until he succeeded in completing what the old Kaiser had failed to do (win the war and bring peace and prosperity to Germany). This was an attitude passed down the chain to the leaders of the Fascist puppet states under German occupation; when Vichy France put Petain's portrait on their coinage, Hitler became outraged and ordered those coins withdrawn and destroyed.

Nor would this item qualify as a "token", as a "token" is a privately-issued coin coin-like item, intended as a substitute or symbol for money or other items of value and, as noted earlier, this item was not intended for use as money. "Steiermark" is not a unit of currency in Germany or Austria; it is the name of an Austrian province (usually called "Styria" in English). Rather, this item would be classifiable as a "medal", given as a kind of a receipt for a political donation, of 1 Austrian schilling.The Imperial War Museum in London classifies their example of this piece as a "badge".

"Tokens" and "medals" are generally less popular with collectors than "coins"; they are also generally less well catalogued, and so finding current market prices for them can be trickier. As such, an item can be numerically quite "rare", yet still not very valuable. There is also the matter of difficulty of sale. Some countries restrict or outright ban the sale of Nazi memorabilia, which this would certainly qualify as. For example, ebay has a policy of banning the sale of all items bearing the swastika that were made after 1933; the only exceptions are coins, stamps, and models of Nazi military ships and aircraft. And, as noted, this item isn't a "coin" so is not exempted. So you aren't likely to find any on ebay, and if you were to attempt to sell it on ebay, it's highly likely it would be reported and the listing cancelled.

All that being said, another forum gave a quote (back in 2012) that these items seem to sell for around $50 to $150, depending on condition.
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 Posted 08/18/2023  11:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add realeswatcher to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ooooh, real life South American Nazi exile stories!!

Und, they even machen repros for your pocket piece needs:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/314748564928
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 Posted 08/18/2023  11:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add realeswatcher to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Some countries restrict or outright ban the sale of Nazi memorabilia... For example, ebay has a policy of banning the sale of all items bearing the swastika that were made after 1933; the only exceptions are coins, stamps, and models of Nazi military ships and aircraft. And, as noted, this item isn't a "coin" so is not exempted. So you aren't likely to find any on ebay...

U.S. ebay (aka THE ebay) doesn't seem to care much... you'll find numerous sold listings for Hitler token or Hitler medal in completed items search... and on archive sites.

So they apparently aren't "auto-pulled"... but I could see a listing getting yanked if someone reported it individually, so some discretion would be advised. With some patience, advertised a bit carefully perhaps, you'd get $100 or a bit more for this. Always a market for this stuff...

BTW, far easier to list this than anything from a certain Clan... especially since I think they're technically a hate group or officially "domestic terrorist" or something like that.

Surprisingly, one even got through on Germany's MA-Shops... a handsome semi-PL example, PCGS approved!!!:
https://www.ma-shops.com/guth/item.php?id=138
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 Posted 08/19/2023  8:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Myles444 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Sap for the information. Yes I was confused, Steiermark is an Austrian province, Schillings were the currency, this coin was given for the donation of one golden schilling in Salzburg as it is marked in the coin. The coin has actually a higher value than I expected, is not even silver and currency yet it can worth 150usd. However, I don't plan to sell it, it's family inheritance and it will stay like that for at least one generation more.
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 Posted 08/21/2023  1:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add retiredkper to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Bottom line, this is a pre 1938 Austrian Nazi receipt in token form for making a donation to the cause in Salzurg at the time. These are listed in Colbert- Hyder book.
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