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1853 Half Dollar, Did PCGS Get This One Right?

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I am hoping to learn more about Seated Liberty coins and grading pieces from this strange chapter in USA numismatic history. This one is currently for sale on eBay--it is not my coin. This 1853 half dollar, with arrows and rays, is in a PCGS straight graded holder. When I look at the pictures, I see very little die clashing (as cool as it is), but what looks like some pitting--I am wondering if you guys think this should be a details coin. If so, or if not, which grade would YOU give it?

Am I overrreacting to the surface issues?


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 Posted 08/20/2023  5:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Don't see pitting, but see a lot of small nicks. I'll say AU-55.
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 Posted 08/20/2023  6:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ArrowsAndRays to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Original surfaces, a few too many dings for me to go higher than AU-55.
I can see a friendly TPG calling it MS-60.
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 Posted 08/20/2023  7:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JasonKflo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Agree with 55
Clashing is cool
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 Posted 08/20/2023  9:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No 'pits'; they are small dings, not enough to be a 'details' coin.
Tiny flat areas on Lib's boobs, indicates wear, long since patinated over.
AU-55.
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 Posted 08/21/2023  08:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
i don't see anything that would details the coin.

AU55. there is a shot at low MS. maybe MS61
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Not a fan of all the marks on the left upper half of the obverse.
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If this is the pitting you're talking about I think it's die rust and would not detail the coin. Seems like MS62-63 to my eyes.
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There is little rub enough to warrant at least an AU-58 slider. Hardly any wear. It looks like most of the obverse luster is missing. This coin has been meesed with.
Suffering from bust half fever.
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 Posted 08/22/2023  11:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GMS5 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'll say AU-58 straight.
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Thanks so much for your opinions everyone--this one is way overpriced, and from the consensus of your grading, it seems even overgraded. MS(61) is what PCGS called it.

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Looks right to me ...
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 Posted 08/22/2023  11:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Keep it in the slab because PCGS' opinion is more respected than mine.
But I would have bought it for less than MS-61 money.
That means I would not have bought it sold in the slab.

I think that at least, PCGS have seen all of the minor nicks and scratches under the patina

Not matter what an attitude may be,
it is a nice coin, anyway.

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 Posted 08/23/2023  02:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jacrispies to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
MS-61 with this type simply means it is a problem and ugly uncirculated coin. Looks to be exactly that!
Suffering from bust half fever.
Want to learn how to attribute early half dollars by die variety? Click Here: http://goccf.com/t/434955
Shoot me a PM if you are looking to sell bust halves.
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