| Author |
 Replies: 10 / Views: 1,153 |
|
|
Valued Member
Thailand
79 Posts |
|
|
|
|
Pillar of the Community
 United States
7935 Posts |
Is the weight correct?
Certainly having three coins struck from the same obverse die (same die defects) is suspicious, but not impossible.
If you post pictures of the reverses (which will also provide the date), you may get some more opinions.
|
|
Valued Member
 Thailand
79 Posts |
|
|
Pillar of the Community
 United States
3641 Posts |
I can't say anything about the authenticity of these coins, but on a related point I'm having a bit of a hard time seeing how these can be clash marks. The coin, I believe, is medal alignment, and if I do an overlay of the obverse with a mirror image of the reverse I can't find anything in the reverse design that matches these marks, even if I vary the rotation.
|
|
Pillar of the Community
United States
1912 Posts |
They sure look like some simple checks should be done to determine good or bad.
I collect and document known fakes. Something I came across in some cases was that the identical flaws, the same color, the same exact everything told me I had fakes made at the same time and same place.
|
|
Pillar of the Community
United States
7935 Posts |
Quote:
I'm having a bit of a hard time seeing how these can be clash marks. To me some look like die cracks. It would be good to know the weights. After looking at some real examples, I am leaning toward these being well made fakes. The design details all seem correct. There seems to be a bit of porosity in the fields that shouldn;t be there. And three examples showing up in the same place with exactly the same die defects seems very suspicious to me. This type was well made, so the weakness on the lettering reverse is also odd (though I think cracked dies could contribute to something like that). I almost wonder if someone got their hands on authentic overused dies? |
|
Pillar of the Community
United States
3641 Posts |
Looking at the reverses, I see all three have the same little mark under the G in GULDEN.
Member of SPMC, FCCB, ANA and ANS. My U.S. Classic Commemorative Complete Set: https://www.NGCcoin.com/registry/co...sets/278741/My U.S. Fractional Note Set: https://notes.www.collectors-societ...eSetID=34188 |
|
Valued Member
Thailand
79 Posts |
|
|
Pillar of the Community
Australia
1510 Posts |
The weight seems a little off, just guessing
|
|
Pillar of the Community
Australia
1510 Posts |
|
|
Pillar of the Community
United States
5362 Posts |
Seems perfectly clear to me that you have three Numismatic Forgeries. The weight is too far off to be correct. All three die pairs match exactly - on the reverse there are two small defects - a raised dot under the G in Guilden and a small shallow depression in the field between the wreath and the rim on the right side of the coin about 5 dentils beneath the stop after the E in INDIE.
Three coins in the same grade with the same toning characteristics and using exactly the same dies - is so incredible that along with the weight I can only conclude these are three forgeries. Essentially worthless as collectables.
|
| |
Replies: 10 / Views: 1,153 |
|
Posted 08/26/2023 1:54 pm
