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Pieces Of Eight - The Spanish 8 Real Silver Dollar As US And Australian Currency

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I don't want to teach your grandmother how to suck eggs, but the Spanish Silver Dollar was a kind of internationally recognised currency for a few hundred years. Kind of like the US dollar is today. In fact, some countries actually used it as currency, or variations.

The British colonies in America used British coins, of course, but these were in very short supply, or in some cases non existent. So, out of necessity, they used the common Spanish 8 Real coin. To make smaller denominations, the clever little Yanks annealed the coins and chopped them into halves, quarters and eighths ... hence, "pieces of eight."

In fact, Americans still say "two bits" for a quarter, a reference to two pieces of eight.

Other British Colonies were in the same predicament. Australia actually purchased 40,000 Spanish Silver Dollars and punched a hole in them, making two coins ... the Holey Dollar and the Dump. This was so they couldn't be used overseas.

In 1827, Australia bought back the Holey Dollar and replaced it with British Coins. The Holey Dollar is now one of the rarest coins ... only 300 remain and around 1000 dumps.

THE POINT OF THIS POST: I found one of these 8 Real coins in my collection and would like to know if it smells fishy ... seems to have been underwater for a while ... or could be a real Real.


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Which of the coins pictured have you "found"? If the first, it should weigh ~ 27 grams.
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I'd agree, that's way, way too light for a silver dollar; if a genuine silver dollar weighed 18.9 grams, I'd expect to see severe wear and some pieces missing. But that weight is very much in line with what a cast copy might weigh.
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Even my grandmother who didn't know how to suck eggs knew that.
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Most likely fake. The cuts are too perfect. Plus using an actual Spanish coin (Madrid mint) instead of a Mexican or Bolivian (Potosi) coin is a bit unusual.

The flow went the other way...

Spain looted silver from the colonial mines and minted coins for transportation to Spain. Many of them leaked into the local economies and formed the medium of exchange for pre 1857 US and other places.

The coins sent to Spain (those not seized by the British or lost to shipwrecks) were melted and recoined as Spanish coins. And then sent out of Spain to pay the King's massive debts. Most of those would be melted and recoined as good money of wherever they ended up.

How much silver? TONS! For example, the Capitana wreck of 1654 was believed to be carrying 10 million pesos of silver (the peso = 8 reales). Officially only 2m, but almost 3m were salvaged (officially, acknowledged) from the wreck. Not all was coins, there were 68-pound bars recovered and worked silver, but silver is silver.

10,000,000 coins of 26.73g is 267 (Metric) Tons of .903 fine silver.
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