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Bisanthe - Apollo & Tripod + Dionysos & Grape Bunch

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After reading of how little is known about the coinage of Bisanthe in Thrace I was surprised to find two coins in the same auction recently, but I can find no mention of the Dionysos/grape bunch coin on ACSearch. After finding no reference to the coins in the CCF search I thought I'd share them here.

From pleiades stoa; Initial Provenance: Barrington Atlas: BAtlas 52 B3 Bisanthe/Rhaidestos.
Bisanthe was a great city in ancient Thrace, on the coast of the Propontis, which had been founded by the Samians. About 400 BC, Bisanthe belonged to the kingdom of the Thracian prince Seuthes II. At a later period its name was changed into Raedestum, Rhaedestum or Rhaideston, or Raedestus, Rhaedestus or Rhaidestos; but when this change took place is unknown.
Bisanthe---Apollo-&-Tripod-+-Dionysos-&-Grape-Bunch
From snible org; Bisanthe was originally a Samian colony on the northern coast of the Propontis, a few miles west of Perinthus. The few autonomous coins struck at this town seem to have been issued shortly after the death of Lysimachus.

The only information I found on Wildwinds: The Ancient Coinage of Bizanthe. Listed by Moushmov Number.
Bisanthe (near 280 B.C.) (now Rodosto) Autonomous bronze coins.
3194 Demeter's veiled head with wreath of ears, right. Rev. : BIΣANΘHNΩN within wreath of ears. 21 mm.
3195 Apollo's laureate head right. Rev. : The same legend. Tripod. 17 mm.
3196 The same - smaller. 12 mm.
3197 Dionysos's head with ivy wreath right. Rev. : BI. Bunch of grapes. 18 mm.
3198 Athena's helmeted head right; owlet in countermark. Rev. : BIΣAN. Owlet right, holding branch in its claws. 15 mm.
3199 Apollo's laureate head right. Rev. : BIΣAN. Vase with 2 handles (Diota). 10 mm. Plate XVIII 9.
3200 Athena's helmeted head right. Rev. : BIΣAN. Owlet opposite. The rev. is hollow. 10˝ mm.

The authority on these coins was the late Edith Schonert-Geiss. Below is an extract regarding her Coin Typology of Bisanthe - Minting System and Typology, found on corpus-nummorum.
Bisanthe (modern-day Rodosto or Tekir-dag), like nearby Perinth, lay on the Propontis River and was founded by the Samians.
1) The city was mentioned in written sources for the first time in 430 BC.
2) It belonged to the Delian-Attic alliance, then to Alexander and the Diadochi. Judging by the city emissions, Bisanthe was relatively autonomous after the time of Lysimachus. However, coins were only emitted in bronze, and only during an apparently homogenous period in the 3rd century BC. A chronological internal structure of the emissions cannot be made, which is why Schonert-Geiss first made an order for weights and divided them into the three groups of Nominal A, B, and C.
3) In her opinion, these should represent the relation 1:2:4 (where 1 coin of Nominal A = 2 coins of Nominal B = 4 coins of Nominal C).
4) To date, these nominal levels have been assigned a total of 14 types, which are named after the iconography present on their obverses and reverses. In several cases, a type comprises only one specimen, which means that their assignment to a nominal can only be done tentatively; only the discovery of more pieces could confirm or refute their assignment. Schonert-Geiss grouped these coins into nominal levels predominantly based on the diameters of the specimens as opposed to their weight;
5) Her assignments for individual cases are therefore still quite debatable. Whether the coins of Bisanthe were issued at the same time or in succession cannot be deduced from the material. It is more likely, however, that the series were produced at the same time.
6) The reasoning behind this is iconographic in nature: The gods Dionysus, Demeter, Zeus, Apollo and Athena were honoured on these coins. Presumably, therefore, not only three types - one per nominal level - were issued, but at least so many that each of the standing deities in Bisanthe was represented on the city coinage.
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Bisanthe, Thrace. 280-200 BC.
Obverse: Laureate head of Apollo to right. Reverse: Tripod. Reverse Inscription: ΒΙΣΑΝ-ΘΗΝΩΝ. Bronze. Diameter: 12 mm. Weight: 1.4 gr.
Reference: Schonert-Geiss 29; BMC 2.
Bisanthe---Apollo-&-Tripod-+-Dionysos-&-Grape-Bunch
Bisanthe, Thrace. 2nd century BC.
Obverse: Wreathed head of Dionysos right. Reverse: Grape bunch on vine with two leaves. Reverse Inscription: B - I. Bronze. Diameter: 11 mm. Weight: 1.8 gr.
Reference: Schonert-Geiss 37; HGC 3.2, 1365.
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@novi, thx for helping me learn something today. I don't think I had even heard of Bisanthe prior to reading this thread.
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Neat additions, Jim.


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can find no mention of the Dionysos/grape bunch coin on ACSearch


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Thanks, @Spence. I was lucky this time as my searches did turn up some interesting information about Bisanthe and the coinage. Often the searches are frustratingly fruitless.

I've also found a mention of Bisanthe in "Hansen and Nielsen - Lexique Poleis":
"Bisanthe was a colony founded by the Samians (no. 864) (Steph. Byz. 171.3: > Pompon. 2.24: Bisanthe Samiorum). It may initially have belonged to the extended territory of Perinthos (no. 678) as a dependent polis, like Tyrodiza (no. 681), whose fate it must have shared during C6l and C5e. However, it is usually believed to have fallen under Odrysian rule in 430, when a Peloponnesian embassy on its way to meet the Persian king was treacherously arrested by Sitalkes and Nymphodoros in Bisanthe and extradited to the Athenians (Hdt. 7.137.2-3; cf. Thuc. 2.67).

Bisanthe is indisputably listed as a member of the Delian League in the assessment decree of 422/1(IG ił 77.iv.10) and as belonging to the Hellespontine district, and the toponym is restored in the assessment decrees of 425/4 (IGił 71.iii.20) and 410/9 (IG ił 100.iii.9). It is recorded alongside Paktye, Ornoi and Neon Teichos as one of the strongholds (teiche) held soon after 410 by Alkibiades, who appears to have closely collaborated with the Thracian kings Medokos and Seuthes (Plut. Alc. 30.10 (r408), 36.3-5; Lys. 10.4; Diod. 13.105.3-4; Nep. Alc. 7.4; cf. Lys. 14.26). A few years later (400-399), Bisanthe—the fairest of Seuthes' possessions on the coast—was repeatedly offered to Xenophon by the Thracian dynast Seuthes II (Xen.An. 7.2.38; cf.5.8)."

Thanks, Bob, and thank you for the link. I don't know how you manage to find all the information that appears to be beyond the rest of us.
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Back in 2022, I sold one coin from Bisanthe with a very interesting countermark of a star
I was thinking to keep it for the countermark but at the end I let it go

Laureate head of Apollo right (with countermark Star of 8 rays) / Tripod
Inscription: ΒΙΣΑΝ-ΘΗΝΩΝ
Weight: 4.0 g, Diameter: 17x18mm
280-200 BC


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Novicius, visit also the following link
https://www.academia.edu/15719472/

scroll down the pdf and at the page 78 and on you will find more info and coins from Bisanthe and Rhaidestos
it's in Greek but the coins and some other info are in english
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Interesting coins and write up Novicius!
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Back in 2022, I sold one coin from Bisanthe with a very interesting countermark of a star

That is a neat countermark Micha, do you know what it represents? I've found information on countermarks on silver coins, but nothing on bronze.

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Novicius, visit also the following link
https://www.academia.edu/15719472/

Thanks for the link, Micha. Google Translate is pretty good on these pages. Not 100% accurate but it is accurate enough to be able to follow the flow.

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Interesting coins and write up Novicius!

Thank you, chrsmat71.
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While researching the above Bisanthe coins I didn't find mention of any other coins being minted there, so was intrigued to see "most probably minted at Bisanthe" in the description of this coin of Mostis. I didn't find any reference to Mostis in the CCF search engine, so hopefully it fills a gap.

During a search of Mostis coins, including Wildwinds, ACSearch etc, I found no connection to Bisanthe till I stumbled over this paper:
The Coinage of the Thracian King Mostis: Recent Finds, Chronology, Distribution and Localisation.
Evgeni I Paunov 2015,
Proceedings of the First International Congress of Anatolian Monetary History and Numismatics, 25-28 February 2013, Antalya.


The relevant passage is shown below:
"However, the most numerous find of Mostis bronzes come from the Turkish excavation near Karaevlialt#305; village, a coastal ancient site located halfway between the towns of Tekirdag and Marmaraereglisi, where the ancient town/sanctuary of Heraion Teichos was located. So far eight coins of Mostis (6 of Type 1; 1 of Type 4; 1 of Type 5) have been officially reported from this site. At least eight more coins of Mostis were found in a single context during the 2011 campaign. A further 17 stray bronzes of Mostis are kept in the Archaeological Museum of Tekirdag. The above facts strongly suggest that the mint of King Mostis operated somewhere very close to Heraion Teichos, most probably at Bisanthe/Panion."
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Kings of Thrace. Mostis. 139/138 - 101/100 BC. c. 125 BC, most probably minted at Bisanthe.
Obverse: Laureate head of Apollo right. Reverse: Horse advancing left; above, ΠAΡ monogram. Reverse Inscription: BAΣIΛEΩΣ MOΣTIΔOΣ. Bronze. Diameter: 19-21 mm. Weight: 4.12gm.
Reference: SNG BM 310; SNG Cop. 1174; Moushmov 5769
EX Gitbud & Naumann, Munich.
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