1969-S Doubled Die Obverse / DDO -002; 2-O-V-Cw Variety? Need Help!

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Toledano99 New Member United States 35 Posts	Posted 09/06/2023 3:31 pm Is this a 1969-DDO? I realize it's not the FS-101 but this has several of the findings like the VV attributed one. Does this even count as a DDO since it's not accepted by PCGS/NGC? Report this Post to the Staff

Spence Moderator United States 34397 Posts	Posted 09/06/2023 3:34 pm @tol, first welcome to CCF. Second, that sure looks like Machine Doubling to me rather than being a doubled die. "If you climb a good tree, you get a push." -----Ghanaian proverb "The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed." -----King Adz Report this Post to the Staff
John1 Moderator United States 56855 Posts	Posted 09/06/2023 3:35 pm Report this Post to the Staff
ijn1944 Bedrock of the Community United States 19129 Posts	Posted 09/06/2023 3:35 pm I'm thinking Machine Doubling as well. Report this Post to the Staff
Dearborn Moderator United States 95089 Posts	Posted 09/06/2023 3:47 pm agreed - it appears more like MD Collecting since 1972. Learning from then on "Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn." - Benjamin Franklin 7070 type set coin count: 51/76 Uncirculated American Silver Eagles My American Silver Eagle Proof Collection Sacagawea Dollars Innovation Dollars Eisenhower-Dollars Kennedy-Half Dollars Washington-Quarters Roosevelt-Dimes Buffalo-Nickels 1938-2005 Jefferson-Nickels Lincoln-Cents Report this Post to the Staff
Spence Moderator United States 34397 Posts	Posted 09/06/2023 3:55 pm @tol, I've been thinking some more about your question and thought that perhaps a pictorial explanation might be better than just having us tell you that it is Machine Doubling. A good way to distinguish between Machine Doubling and a doubled die (especially one subtly doubled so that you don't have separation of the doubled elements), is that the doubling serves to decrease the width of the design feature with MD, but serves to increase the width of the design feature with a DDO or DDR. To help illustrate that point, see the below side-by-side comparison of the doubling from varietyvista (1969-S DDO-002) and your coin. I've done my best to scale the two images similarly so that you can really appreciate the difference. Hope this helps! "If you climb a good tree, you get a push." -----Ghanaian proverb "The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed." -----King Adz Report this Post to the Staff
Errers and Varietys Bedrock of the Community United States 73812 Posts	Posted 09/06/2023 4:14 pm To CCF! I agree with the comments. You have Machine Doubling, not a DDO. Spence explained the differences very well. Errers and Varietys. Report this Post to the Staff
Cujohn Pillar of the Community United States 7174 Posts	Posted 09/06/2023 6:07 pm to the CCF and Spence explained it very well. Edited by Cujohn 09/06/2023 6:07 pm Report this Post to the Staff
Toledano99 New Member United States 35 Posts	Posted 09/06/2023 7:54 pm Thank you everyone for the responses and EXTREMELY thorough explanation that I can't seem to get anywhere! As a follow up, I've been told coins couldn't be DD if the mint mark is doubled(other 1969-S ones I've seen have heavy mint mark doubling that they've said is "obviously" MD) but this one does not have mint mark doubling and some of the TRUST is doubled. I feel like I'm running in circles of what's doubled in MD and what's not doubled in DD now. I realize each DD is unique but I'm having trouble visualizing three dimensionally how MD and DD widen one area but not the other uniquely to make my life easier when I'm trying to figure these out on some coins that have several variations to account for. Not giving up hope but feeling very disheartened. Report this Post to the Staff
Petespockets55 Pillar of the Community United States 5770 Posts	Posted 09/07/2023 05:36 am Spences images are great for comparing the "reduction" in size of the letters. The same effect is clearly visible on the bottom of the U and top of the upper curve of the S (TRUST). Words of encouragement are one of the major food groups. We need to consume them regularly to thrive and grow. Report this Post to the Staff
Toledano99 New Member United States 35 Posts	Posted 09/09/2023 09:33 am Thank you everyone for the responses and EXTREMELY thorough explanation that I can't seem to get anywhere! As a follow up, I've been told coins couldn't be DD if the mint mark is doubled(other 1969-S ones I've seen have heavy mint mark doubling that they've said is "obviously" MD) but this one does not have mint mark doubling and some of the TRUST is doubled. I feel like I'm running in circles of what's doubled in MD and what's not doubled in DD now. I realize each DD is unique but I'm having trouble visualizing three dimensionally how MD and DD widen one area but not the other uniquely to make my life easier when I'm trying to figure these out on some coins that have several variations to account for. Not giving up hope but feeling very disheartened. Report this Post to the Staff
John1 Moderator United States 56855 Posts	Posted 09/09/2023 09:53 am I think there are doubled dies with an RPM.But,your coin is MD. John1 Report this Post to the Staff
Brandmeister Pillar of the Community United States 6472 Posts	Posted 09/09/2023 11:15 am Don't be disheartened. Looking for doubled dies is a marathon, not a sprint. I've searched over 3000 nickels this summer, and found only one recognizable major doubled die. Make sure you are familiar with other varieties like inverted mint marks, rare mint marks, and that sort of thing. You can run across those, too. Report this Post to the Staff
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1969-S DDO-002; 2-O-V-Cw Variety? Need Help!