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Need Help Iding 2 Unidentified Kushan Copper Panna/Tetradrams

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Hi everyone,
I recently acquired these two Kushan tetradrachms, but I am having a hard time IDing the rulers.

The first is 21mm and is 14.53 grams. While one side features a common image of the king making a sacrifice at a fire altar, the reverse is a bit trickier. It appears to have a deity standing left with the text "Dobo" (or something of the like) in the field to the right.

The Second is fairly typical in its obverse and reverse designs. In addition to one side featuring the king making a sacrifice, the reverse features a goddess with a bull. I have seen many varieties of this sort minted under Vima Kadphises, but I don't want to jump to conclusions. What do you think?

Any help with these two IDs would be really appreciated!




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 Posted 09/12/2023  11:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kushanshah to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
First: Kanishka / Athsho (Alpha - Theta - Sho - Omicron).
Second: Vima Kadphises / Siva & Nandi.
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It appears to have a deity standing left with the text "Dobo" (or something of the like) in the field to the right.

That word is "Athsho".

The Kushans used the Bactrian language, written in the Greek alphabet with one additional letter to represent a sound not included in regular Greek: the letter "sho", representing the "sh" sound and shaped much like the Old English letter "thorn". So the spelling here is alpha-theta-sho-omicron, A-Th-Sh-O.

Athsho was the Kushan name for the Zoroastrian spirit Atar, the personification of holy fire. The Kushan Empire contained a hodgepodge of religions, with Zoroastrianism, Buddhism, Hinduism and the ancient Greek gods all featuring on Kushan coins.

The figure on the second coin, however, is not female. A deity standing with a bull on Kushan coins is always Oesho, the Kushan deity who is kind of a syncretistic mix of the Hindu god Shiva and the Zoroastrian wind-spirit Vaya. The catalogues usually just call him "Shiva", for simplicity. He is often depicted on the gold coins with multiple arms and/or multiple faces, in the Hindu-Shiva style, but on these later coppers he's given a much more human-like treatment.

I believe the first coin is attributed to Kanishka I. The second coin is attributed to Vima Kadphises.

Edit: the Kushans didn't believe in ninjas, but they are here in this thread.
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Kushanshah & Sap - Wonderful! Thank you so much.
As I suppose is quite clear from my questions, it has been a while since I have picked up any Kushan coins, and my Greek and iconography is a tad rusty, to say the least.
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