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Hi everyone, Just received in the mail yesterday 4 Kennedy's from a lot on ebay; 84-S DCAM, 76-S, 70-D and 65. Paid $22 for all with shipping. So, this 1965 is an SMS, right? I'd love for it to be a business strike but wishful thinking never gets you far  The coin is highly reflective with no cameo features at all. My question ... SMS or Business and, if you don't mind ... why? Thanks in advance for all your time and sharing your experience!      Edited by canyonmule
09/19/2023 2:24 pm
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These are much easier in hand or with better pics. The lighting makes it look SMS and the die erosion not. I'm going not.
Time don't fly, it bounds and leaps.
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It looks more Business strike to me. Also a slight MAD strike to boot - look how narrow the rim is at k5
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@cladking - how can you tell in hand? I watched every video and read everything I could find and I'm still mostly lost.
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here's a couple of different pics after I took the coin out of the holder. idk if they're any better but here ya go :) (ignore the blue tint, reflection off phone stand)   |
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@Dearborn - rim looks fine with coin out of the holder
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@Dearborn - rim looks fine with coin out of the holder Yep, I was just going to comment on my comment above - not a MAD strike. Thanks for the newer images. I may have to go get my SMS and business strike halves out to compare them to yours. (tomorrow - I'm losing the light to darkness at the moment, and besides, my dogs are begging me to go play ball with them.) |
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Looks like a normal Business Strike to me, but I could be wrong.
Errers and Varietys.
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Business, with some minor bag marking.
Good luster helps greatly with eye appeal.
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@cladking - how can you tell in hand? I watched every video and read everything I could find and I'm still mostly lost. I guess the problem is a simple one; there are many different looks that the SMS can have because many different techniques were used to make them. There's only one look for business strike (except for those struck from retired SMS dies) but these range on several parameters and some are quite similar to one SMS or another. Probably most of the learning to differentiate them is learning the different appearances and some of the similarities of these appearances. Luster might be the single most important difference but there are other telltale signs like die condition and strike. They can be very difficult to tell apart even in hand. Nobody can do it with 100% accuracy Time don't fly, it bounds and leaps.
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As a rule of thumb regardless of what the coins look like if it is a well struck Gem it is an SMS. Anything with strike defects is probably from a roll.
Your coin has a pleasing luster associated with the SMS's and a solid strike but it has a "bright" and "thin" luster not associated with SMS as well as a solid strike from worn dies. Three markers suggest "not SMS". Of course two of them are very difficult to appraise properly from even the best photos.
Time don't fly, it bounds and leaps.
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the late die state reveals that is not an SMS coin
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@cladking and @nick10
so, for example, the light strike in Kennedy's hair?
I'm going to need to spend the time to get to a decent LCS and see some SMS halves in hand I think.
Thanks so much guys, everyone, for all your responses!
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@canyonmule, that this is not a fresh die can be seen by the orange peel look under Kennedy's nose, cladking called it die erosion, I've never seen it this extensive on an SMS coin found in its original mint holder
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would it stand if its a 65 business strike its a clad coin sms it would be silver 90%
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Posted 09/19/2023 4:50 pm
Uncirculated American Silver Eagles 
