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1833 Bust Half NGC: Struck By The Strike

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I haven't got my head around this coin. Maybe the rusty color is tricking my eyes, but the devices seem to have higher relief than I normally see, even though it has late-die markers like the weak "pluribus" and flat feathers.

Seems NGC was pretty generous on the grade. What say you?


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AU53 maybe 55
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Flatness of the strike happens on all die states, not just later die states. Perhaps the depth of color and toning boost the devices out to a higher relief in appearance?

If NGC even gave it a grade, they were generous with that amount of edge damage. AU-50 Details Edge Damage
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I'm going to assume the rim issues were from rolling the lettering in the edge. XF45 that probably graded AU. Overall I like the piece.
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The rims don't detract for me that much and I wouldn't have thought they would detail the coin. That said, I never considered before BH1964's post that they might not be PMD:

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I'm going to assume the rim issues were from rolling the lettering in the edge


The edge dings are not from the off center edge lettering. That would have a rounded appearance that the metal failed to flow into. This example shows clear and irregular denting and folding into the rim.
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This example shows clear and irregular denting and folding into the rim.


True, but looking closely, I find it at least plausible that this might have happened at the mint.

With the coin in hand it is clear that the strike is much deeper on that section of the coin. It's hard to get a proper look at the edge through the slab, but say the strike was strong enough to create a fin, and then the coin was rolled for edge lettering.

Maybe it snagged, and this was the result? Just a thought. For whatever reason NGC chose not to detail it.
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Nice grade, rim issues would bother me.
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but say the strike was strong enough to create a fin, and then the coin was rolled for edge lettering.


Good thought, but not possible. Early halves along with other denominations were struck without a collar, thus making it impossible to create a Rim Fin. The planchets were cut, placed in the Castaing machine that also acted as the upsetting mill, and then struck without a collar.
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53 seems right. Agree it's nicely struck.
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the rims don't bother me as they are so minor
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