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1908 D Barber Dime RPD FS-303 (Updated)

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 Posted 10/22/2023  07:56 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Dowhat to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I can find no examples that clearly identify this variety. Any info out there?
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 Posted 10/22/2023  11:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kbbpll to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
https://coins.ha.com/itm/barber-dim...bnail-071515 has images.
Lawrence-104 is apparently the same as FS-303 https://archive.org/details/compgui...n95/mode/2up
It was formerly FS-010.2, which yields an additional result on Heritage but it's the same coin as above.
NGC also lists it without an image https://www.ngccoin.in/variety-plus...1916/816742/
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 Posted 10/22/2023  4:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dowhat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks much for the feedback. So, according to the much appreciated links provided, it appears the best evidence is the mid loop of the 9 faintly visible within the 0. Is that an accurate assessment?
Thanks for replies.
Once I give it a good soak and some conservation efforts I will get some images up.
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Once I give it a good soak and some conservation efforts I will get some images up.


Sounds good. I would love to see it.
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 Posted 10/23/2023  6:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dowhat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks to the links provided, I have deduced this is NOT the sought after RPD. Here are some images for you I intent to submit to the Grading Forum.
If you want a close up of the date, can do.
This one was picked out of the junk bin at a LCS. Not bad
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 Posted 10/23/2023  11:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A close up of the date would be great.
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 Posted 10/23/2023  11:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kbbpll to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The 1 on the example in the Heritage link, and in Cherrypickers, is centered exactly over a gap between denticles. Yours is centered over the denticle. So I'd say you're right, this is not FS-303. It could be one of the others or a new one. Try another image of the date.
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 Posted 10/24/2023  11:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dowhat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
After closer inspection, there seems to be something of intrest concerning the 0 & 8 in the date. Especially within the eight. It definitely looks like a repunch.
Good images feferences are difficult for me to find. I believe FS-305 involves the 8, but I cannot locate a good photo comparison.
Looking forward to some input here.
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 Posted 10/24/2023  1:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kbbpll to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Great photos. I don't think it's FS-305 either - the image in CPG also has the 1 pointing between denticles. And yet the NGC image of FS-305 has the same date position as yours! https://www.ngccoin.com/variety-plu...1916/815269/ It's supposed to be the same as Lawrence-101, but the images in Lawrence also show the 1 pointing between denticles. Both CPG and NGC clearly have similar 8/8 but they cannot be the same die. Obviously there is a lot of confusion about these. It seems there are two similar but different 8/8 and one of them isn't properly designated with it's own ID. You can also look at where the 1 points in relation to the B designer initial.

On yours there appears to be a die crack from the rim through the bottom of 8 into the lower loop, which may be what you're seeing there. There seems to be something going on in the 0 and top loop of 8, but difficult to say what it is. You could email the images to the varieties team at BCCS and see what they think. I don't think I can post an email address on here but you can find it at http://www.barbercoins.org/Officers.shtml on the right below BCCS Varieties Team.

It's certainly difficult to find images of these. Here's one https://coins.ha.com/itm/barber-dim...bnail-071515 that mentions repunched date that has the same date position as yours, but the image is too poor to see anything.

The CPG image of FS-305 for reference
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and the NGC image of FS-305, clearly not the same die
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You could email the images to the varieties team at BCCS and see what they think.
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Thanks kbb. E mail sent. I update if I hear back from them.
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 Posted 10/31/2023  05:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dowhat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Following the advice from fellow member <b>kbbpll</b>, I contacted the varieties team at BCCS and just received the following reply;


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Good news. Just wondering now if I should submit it for attribution and to whom. What are your thoughts?
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 Posted 10/31/2023  11:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add kbbpll to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Find a copy of Kevin Flynn's The Authoritative Reference on Barber dimes and see if it's in there. Or maybe ask BCCS again if they'll check - it's not clear from their response whether it's known or not. If it's published, ANACS would probably attribute it; ask their customer service first. I doubt that NGC would - I briefly went through this with them 3-4 years ago and they said there had to be "collector interest." I don't know about PCGS or ICG.

If it's not published anywhere, from my experience you'll have a long road ahead trying to get it recognized by a TPG. I didn't have the energy to keep pursuing it myself. It's cool to discover something new of course.
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Older thread but I ran into it again. I think this might be Flynn's RPD-015, page 171 here https://www.heritagestatic.com/c/d/...04576858.pdf
The date position matches and the features inside 8 appear to match. I'm not sure if the reference will stay up after the auction ends so consider downloading it.
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