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1809 C-3 Half Cent? What Is Going On With It?

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 Posted 10/25/2023  3:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Oldgrouchyguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The 1802 dime has a huge Retained Cud, with lettering. Same as mine. If it were a "a table or chair leg stop", the obverse would be very damaged. It isn't.
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That is not what a Cud looks like. Your coin has a clear deep valley just before your "cud."

If you disagree, can you take photos of the coin at a 45 degree or greater angle? It is difficult to see relief.
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 Posted 10/25/2023  5:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Oldgrouchyguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I refer to the 6th post above this one-the Large Cent reverse. It's the "same thing". Pay attention to the CA "under" the retained (that's important) cud-as it should be. My coin has a Retained Cud, not a full Cud. They are very different animals
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The Cohen book does not have any Cuds listed for any of the reverse dies in 1809. Until more photos are posted, there is nothing else to debate.
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The Cohen book is like an anachronism (better to look for die states as published by Ron Manley); and yes it is totally Unknown in this die state
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This should help... you can see that the broken die travels under the U of UNITED. The left stand is not severed due to damage. This is a Retained Cud: the piece of the die had broken but not yet broken-off. It was still attached to the die at RI and UN, but had separated and sunken appreciably between.
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Take photos at a greater angle, primarily displaying the bend and angle of the item in question. Take an angular photo of the obverse as well.
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Want to learn how to attribute early half dollars by die variety? Click Here: http://goccf.com/t/434955
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