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1809 C-3 Half Cent? What Is Going On With It?

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Hello Everyone! I hope your day is a great one... here is something cute...
What do you think? I'm thinking something like the 1802 JR-4 Draped Bust Dime obverse
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 Posted 10/24/2023  7:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jacrispies to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Place the coin obverse face down and see if it rocks side to side, it looks bent.
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 Posted 10/24/2023  7:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Oldgrouchyguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The reverse is bulged, and the coin isn't bent
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Agree, looks bent. Beyond me.
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Let's say it is bent-being bent wouldn't do this, would it? The rim is so high, it sucked out metal that normally would have filled the obv. devices. This looks like the break on the 1802 JR-4 Dime
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Miserable thing, really. Give it up.
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 Posted 10/24/2023  8:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Oldgrouchyguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well, had a Half Cent specialist look at it and he's pretty impressed. I don't know what else I can tell you
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I am not giving up on it, I'll think it over tonight.
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Does the diameter match that of a small cent? Place a Lincoln Cent or something of the same size on the reverse of the Half Cent to measure.
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 Posted 10/25/2023  10:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Oldgrouchyguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
jacrispies: No, I know what you're thinking... the coin is flat as a board and the area on the reverse between the bottom rim and the devices is as struck. Here's a pic of the reverse (Courtesy of Stack's) of one of the many LDS 1809 C-3 Half Cents, with a misaligned reverse die
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The opposite obverse side is worn down flat with no detail, while the lower obverse still holds the basic outline of Miss Liberty. I think it is damage and the coin worn or was sanded flat. There is no way it came from the mint like that. It is most certainly not a Cud.
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 Posted 10/25/2023  2:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Oldgrouchyguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'd have to respectfully disagree; I think it was a pocket-piece and actually, the rim is one big Retained Cud. Metal displacement explains the weak upper obverse (it wasn't "sanded"). Same phenomena here:
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 Posted 10/25/2023  2:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Oldgrouchyguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A Retained Cud can retain lettering (See the U of UNIT... on mine)
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Think about it... if it were "sanded" that would materially affect the copper at the sanding site, and it would never uniformly retone, unless that was your mission in life. There is no evidence of "sanding"
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My first thought was that it was used to prop up one leg of a heavy table. I'm having trouble envisioning anything at the mint causing this. What does the 1802 JR-4 Draped Bust Dime have to do with it?
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