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1912 $10 Indian Head Rotated Die Error

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I've got a 1912 $10 Indian Head with a rotated die error. I was gunna be sending it out for grading and need an idea of the value of it for insurance when I send it out.


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 Posted 10/18/2023  5:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Doubt there's a premium for a die rotation like this, amd given the evident wear, I wouldn't think it's a grading candidate.



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looks close to being a medallic strike, but as Frog said, probably not a premium associated with this. Especially when the price of gold is making most common US gold coins with just a little over spot.
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I agree with Coinfrog.
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I'd value it at $1,000. If the weight and dimensions are good there is no reason to grade it. The rotated die appears to be less than 40 degrees and likely wouldn't bring a premium. Still a nice chunk of almost 1/2 ounce of gold.
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I can't edit my post but wanted to make another comment. I just noticed that the rotation was far more than what I thought it was it's actually a 140° rotation. That much rotation could bring a premium but I would have to investigate furthe. Good luck!
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I would check authenticity before spending $ on a TPG. It's in the NGC top 50 most counterfeited coins. There are 2800 of them in Heritage archives and none mention rotated dies. That makes me a little suspicious. The fakes of these are very good.
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I'd be suspicious already at "rotated dye"...

I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out to not even be real gold.
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Just so you know,it is spelled die not dye.
Here is a link that might help: http://rotateddies.com/
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Little more information, I've checked the coin both by weight, mm size and using my sigma metalytics verifier pro. Coin checks and passes all tests I've put it through. It's a coin my father has had for a very long time and bought years ago over the counter at his coin shop. My dad who's dyslexic wrote "rotated dye" as he's not very good at spelling and gets letters confused. Either way I was surprised when he asked me to send it out and I saw the rotation. Thank you all for your information so I can best insure it to send it out.
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https://www.ngccoin.com/resources/c...d-states/48/
Just FYI - the counterfeits originating in the middle east were real gold. You can see how good they were. Let us know the results.

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kbbpll, I read the NGC article and looked for the key points that signify the fakes and I can't find the tell tale signs. But I'm not an expert on these specifically. I've got no problem spending the money getting it graded even if I find out it's a fake. I love things like this specifically because it makes me curious either way.
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Does this coin have a 'medal alignment' strike, instead of a coin turn ? That is how it appears to me by looking at the staples, it appears to be rotated almost 135 degrees.
I'm curious as to its authenticity.
Maybe a trip to your local coin store should be your first step.
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@ Dearborn I am my local coin store lol. My family owns 2 near where I live lol I may take it to another one of my brokers and see what he says.
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On review, Dearborn is right, the apparent rotation is greater than I thought.
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@ Dearborn I am my local coin store lol.

umm, well then, umm (at a loss of words here) lol. maybe then a higher authority on this type of coin should be examined and evaluated properly. Since you are your own 'first step' then the second step is grading - you can send it to PCGS, I think that if it turns out to be a details of fake, you can opt out of having it holdered and pay a lower price for it. I think if if comes back in a "body bag" you would know.
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