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Why Did I Pay $1k For A Porous, Unearthed 1860 Indian Cent?

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 Posted 10/25/2023  07:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fenton to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not my cup of tea from a collecting standpoint but very interesting history.
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 Posted 10/25/2023  8:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DOCC to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The history behind some of the coins I see on CCF amazes me. Thanks for sharing.
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 Posted 10/25/2023  9:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Seems like a brave price, but you clearly know your subject.
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 Posted 10/26/2023  05:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ExoGuy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Seems like a brave price ....


Yes, but this is a specialized area, like error coins or varieties. If one looks at auction prices, the price I paid is reasonable. Considering the small number of these c/s's outstanding, the time to try and buy such an item is when the opportunity presents itself, methinks.

Having collected Civil War tokens for almost sixty years now, this Confederate c/s has cross-collecting or bilateral appeal to me. This item is a prime example of how an historic c/s can elevate the value of an otherwise $1 coin. I'm guessing that the metal detectorist who likely found it was elated by its value.
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 Posted 10/27/2023  12:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bikergeek to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Really like this post, and absolutely understand the appeal of what might to some appear less interesting. And since I'm the guy who recently groused about the proliferation of counterfeit posts, I am delighted to see counterstamps! It opens a window on something I was ignorant of.
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 Posted 10/27/2023  04:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ExoGuy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Coincidentally, another specimen of this c/s just came to auction. While the host coin is in better shape, the strength of the stamping, full lettering, is comparable to mine.

This seller is a go-to-guy and market-maker for Civil War tokens in particular. Here's a link: https://www.civilwartokens.com/Even...il-War-token

@bikergeek .... I share your frustration about the abundance of posts on counterfeits, and I'll try to post some more counterstamps.
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 Posted 10/27/2023  09:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cipster to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
ExoGuy, Thanks for another informative post. Whenever I see your posts I read and learn something valuable about counterstamps. I find them fascinating.
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 Posted 10/27/2023  10:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Second that! I'll keep my on the auction.
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 Posted 10/27/2023  10:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ExoGuy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@cipster .... Thanks for the encouraging boost. Learning is the main reason I got so locked into this genre. I find myself constantly digging into the past, early books, patents, news articles. Many a counterstamp to me is like a Christmas present, waiting to be opened.

I see that you're an EAC member. For a few years, I was, too. I seem to recall having three of my articles published therein. Since early coppers were so often subjected to stampings, I thought the EAC guys would be interested in th. is aspect. Sadly, I never got any feedback. On the plus side though, I managed to discover two NC's. I do still love the old coppers, stamped or not.
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 Posted 10/27/2023  10:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ExoGuy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@ Coinfrog ..... You might enjoy watching some of the other auction lots. Fascinating Civil War era stuff, this.
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I also find this stuff very interesting. I can understand that the lack of feedback from EAC was disappointing. Positive feedback is always encouraging and when it doesn't happen, it causes people to keep their knowledge to themselves.
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 Posted 10/27/2023  1:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jacrispies to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Incredible coin, I enjoyed reading this story. Thank you for sharing the history.

I saw a Wealth of the South Confederate civil war token for the first time the other day and was impressed. I would love to see a collection of Confederate tokens, too bad they are pricey!
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 Posted 10/29/2023  8:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gmwatson to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very interesting ExoGuy. As a historical item that represents how the common folk dealt with the difficulties caused by war within their own country, I find your information absolutely fascinating.
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 Posted 10/30/2023  04:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ExoGuy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
These enthusiastic responses to my counterstamp posts are much appreciated. I'll endeavor to do more as time passes.

The counterstamps, be they on early coins, tokens and/or banknotes, put the hosting currency in context of the times in which it circulated. The mystery is what I find alluring. It's not simply the who, what, when and where questions that intrigue me. The why, why was this currency stamped, question is the ultimate grabber for me. Why did so-and-so inflict damage to this piece? Sometimes the answer is obvious but often, not so.

With these Schiller c/s's, it is obvious that he needed to make change for his customers at the Sazerac House. So, he creatively redenominated the coins, creating IOU's of sorts. Then too, he issued some higher denomination paper scrip toward that end. There's also the Civil War connection. It's not simply the military aspect but also the economic hardship created by the war that resulted in many forms of emergency money; this, what we today classify as exonumia. Lastly, we can also gather insight into the activities and surroundings of the individual who once possessed the specific coin or token. For me, all of these aspects converge to make studying and collecting c/s's a compelling pursuit.

The Schiller c/s was admittedly pricey; this, the consequence of its cross-collector appeal. That said, there are a great many c/s's that are much scarcer and not classified as Confederate Civil War tokens; these, that can be had for but a small fraction of what the Schiller pieces fetch. There are likely a good many Confederate and otherwise historic counterstamps out there that have yet to be attributed. This genre remains one of the most fertile, as-yet-to-be-explored numismatic avenues out there. This old-timer looks forward to seeing more collectors go where I've long ventured.
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 Posted 11/12/2023  09:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ballyhoo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sweet! Haven't seen one hit the market in some time. Hats off on the acquisition.
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