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1927-S Peace Dollar For Your Comments And Opinions.

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 Posted 10/31/2023  06:07 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Dowhat to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I am hoping these are adequate images for comments. It was difficult to capture the color details on the obverse. At about the 8k position is an area of irreverent blue toning. The spots areas on the obverse present a slight yellish/gold toning mixed in. Nice hourglass cartwheeling on both sides. The reverse obviously does not exhibit the same coloring/toning as the obverse.
What say you all?
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 Posted 10/31/2023  08:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MisterT to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Can we get a weight and diameter? the overall grainy and mushy appearance with lack of detail is suspect to me. Also the S mintmark doesn't appear to be in the correct position. Can we also get a closeup of the MM please.
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10/31/2023 08:48 am
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 Posted 10/31/2023  09:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
i think the coin would grade as altered surfaces. I found several similar coins where the S looks to match this one so I think its genuine. could be UNC details.
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 Posted 10/31/2023  09:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MisterT to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Compared to the PCGS examples and others, the MM looks too low in relation to the ray and the O in ONE. also this mm displays a clear lower serif which isn't seen on the PCGS example and others. Can anyone expand on this? I have noticed at least three different MM positions on ebay examples. One is similar to the OP's coin, one is close to the ray and yet another in very low almost near the tail. PCGS lists 4 VAM varieties but no pictures to compare it to.
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 Posted 10/31/2023  09:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mrwhatisit to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks legitimate to my eyes
Also seems to have a film of some kind on the obverse which might come off with a soak in 100% acetone. Check vamworld website to see if you have a VAM match. This date according to pcgs coinfacts seems to indicate that some of these have a weak strike which yours might have.
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 Posted 10/31/2023  10:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Can't get a good feel for this one.
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 Posted 10/31/2023  11:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cointagous to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Surfaces look like they have been lacquered and a good acetone bath would remove that showing what is really underneath.
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 Posted 10/31/2023  11:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thaat's a good theory.
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 Posted 10/31/2023  12:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dowhat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
At the end of my workday I will weigh, measure diameter and thickness, and, provide a MM closeup. Then give it a soak.
Thanks for your input.
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 Posted 10/31/2023  12:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paralyse to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like AU details. The MM is hard to see but doesn't look "off" (the flowlines surrounding it do not appear to be disturbed) I do see some color on the obverse.

Some tips to help with the photos:

- Use a black or very dark background when photographing coins. This keeps the light focused on the coin and prevents glare/reflection from the background, unless you have a light meter and can use it to manually adjust your camera's F-stop and shutter speed.

- For non-Proof coins your light source needs to be angled (30-60 degrees) relative to the coin's surface being photographed, and should be diffuse (spread out) and not direct (like a flashlight beam.)
One old trick if you are using a light source such as a desk lamp and can't move the light further away is to rig something up to hold a piece of copy paper at a safe distance between the light source and the coin. You can also improvise a holder to hold the coin at an angle, but this is tricky to work with since you have to hold the camera steady and can't rest it on a flat surface. A copy stand solves these issues for you, but they are not cheap. Play around with the angles of your light source until you find whichever one gives the coin the most luster in your photos.
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 Posted 10/31/2023  7:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dowhat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Firstly, I would like to thank you all for time and effort you have expended to help me out here.
I know that my images leave quite a bit to be desired. Try as I may, I am never quite capable of reproducing for you what I can see in hand. I need much more practice to be proficient in this respect. I attempt to make up for those discrepancies by providing the best description of my observations as possible.
Secondly, I feel it would be prudent of me to provide you with some back story to this buck.
I will try to be brief.
This dollar was won by me on an on line auction. Before I am finished, most of you will probably know where.
Graded in a PCI gold label as MS 63. With a present PCGS Price Guide value of $850.00, I was willing to roll the dice at $250.00.
Already being aware that these gold labels from PCI can be quite problematic, I never wanted to belive that anyone could be that egregious in their estimation. AU58 is about my break even point on the PCGS Price Guide and I had already factored in about 20% less for this slab (PCI Gold label).
Once I had it, my first action was to free it from this tomb, have a good look see, then bring it up here.
I have little doubt as to its authenticity. The weight is 26.72 gr. Scale calibrated within .01 gr. Diameter; 12K to 6k 38.06mm, 3K to 9K 38.05. And I do have the MM close ups if requested.
My biggest concern is the splotchy, spotted obverse. It is soaking now as suggested. Yet original luster is noticeable.
The reverse appears as the entire coin should. A very noticeable concentric hour glass cartwheel flows around the coin rotated and tilted in both directions, on both sides! IMO, much more original luster than AU58.
Could not this coin have come from an old folder or album when the obverse side was displayed only? The reverse may not be exposed to the environment as much as the obverse, yet still exposed to the gas off and the other contamints in the storage medium, unknown to case damage in those days.
Also, the weak strike on the reverse further convinces me as genuine. As stated earlier in a previous reply by another contributor.
Another thought of mine was some attempt at artificial toning on the obverse. A horribly failed attempt that resulted in disaster. Therfore, deciding not to try that on the back. At least keep one side nice. Which also indicates it wasn't immersed or both sides would be more similar in appearance.
My knowledge of MM styles used on this year is 0. I have to assume the same as other denominations of this year. I follow Lincolns mostly. I will check it out as well as positions attributed. A simple search will help educate me. V.V.

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 Posted 10/31/2023  7:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paralyse to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
PCI had some hits and misses. The green label had some solid coins; gold label is sketchy.

I still think it's original AU, possibly cleaned at some point. I think you paid about what you should if it looks better in hand.
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 Posted 10/31/2023  11:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm thinking AU Details.
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 Posted 11/01/2023  2:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MisterT to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looking forward to see some new pics after the acetone bath. I'd still like to know how many different MM positions are associated with this date if anyone has that information.
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 Posted 11/04/2023  12:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Better photos needed on this one.
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 Posted 02/07/2025  08:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dowhat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Finally got back to this one. Hopefully the new photos will help.
Obverse has toning, reverse does not. Near thr rim on the obverse from 1 in the date up to I in LIBERTY has blue/green tonight that fades out towards the center. Natural or or not, I do not know. All of the toning is spotty which I know to be not so desirable. As mentioned before, very nice all around original luster. I briefly considered a quick dip to address the spotty toning but dropped that thought worrying it might alter the original finish. I provided a close up of the spotty toning at the most affected area.
Also MM close ups as earlier requested.



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