1828 12 Stars Half Cent Devices Outlined

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mikev50 Pillar of the Community United States 1125 Posts	Posted 11/12/2023 4:54 pm don,t know what they mean by devices outlined---i don't see anything--up for auction---thinking of buying--- * Edited by Staff to Add Denomination to Title. It's very important to have in the title. * Edited by mikev50 11/12/2023 4:55 pm Report this Post to the Staff

IndianGoldEagle Bedrock of the Community United States 33743 Posts	Posted 11/12/2023 5:27 pm Can you post close ups of both sides of the coin? Report this Post to the Staff
kbbpll Pillar of the Community United States 4233 Posts	Posted 11/12/2023 7:26 pm I assume it means that it was tooled to make it look like a better grade. A couple examples from Heritage are more obvious. I didn't find a specific definition on PCGS. OP coin seems to have lines through the hair and behind the ear that were added, but it's hard to tell. https://coins.ha.com/itm/flying-eag...1618-21464.s https://coins.ha.com/itm/seated-dol...1446-25382.s Report this Post to the Staff
mikev50 Pillar of the Community United States 1125 Posts	Posted 11/12/2023 8:28 pm thanks---auction ended---no bids--- Report this Post to the Staff
Coinfrog Bedrock of the Community United States 94367 Posts	Posted 11/12/2023 8:55 pm Closeups would help. Tooling sounds like the right term, this description is new tot me. Report this Post to the Staff
mikev50 Pillar of the Community United States 1125 Posts	Posted 11/13/2023 08:17 am thats the best I can do---- Report this Post to the Staff
jbuck Moderator United States 164408 Posts	Posted 11/13/2023 11:32 am Looks like you were correct to not place a bid. Coin Collector Since 1978 My Avatar My Old Avatar My 7070 My Eisenhower Dollars CCF Members on eBay CCF eBay Search Engine Report this Post to the Staff
kbbpll Pillar of the Community United States 4233 Posts	Posted 11/13/2023 3:03 pm Interesting - there are 670 results on Heritage for "devices outlined", so it seems relatively common as a details designation. There are also 670 results for "devices engraved" (I think the identical count is a coincidence; if I add Morgan to the search I get different counts). The latter seems to be coins where the interior of the device is re-engraved, like in the hair etc, to try to redraw the design. I had never seen either of these grades before. Report this Post to the Staff
jacrispies Pillar of the Community United States 3735 Posts	Posted 11/13/2023 4:52 pm Devices outlined falls under the "tooling" category. When the coin has flat spots on the devices that are the result of wear, a crafty engraver puts that detail back into the coin to create the illusion that the coin is higher grade than it actually is. Can't tell what/if something was reengraved from the auction photos. Good thinking though. The TPGs have the capability to mess things up, and there is a chance this is a problem-free or market acceptable coin in a details holder. You never know what you will find. Suffering from bust half fever. Want to learn how to attribute early half dollars by die variety? Click Here: http://goccf.com/t/434955 Shoot me a PM if you are looking to sell bust halves. Report this Post to the Staff
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