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Piece Of Eight 1741 But The Wrong Name

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I have several of these coins. They were dug up during a construction project. They are 1741 and show Mexico city as mill site but with Ferdinand on them.
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 Posted 11/12/2023  7:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Duck368 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Is this normal? I can't find anything on it anywhere..
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Is this normal?

No, it is not normal in the least. Another way to say that is this "coin" is not genuine in the least. Compare it to this example sold by Heritage.

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These things were 2 feet deep on the side of a hill in the middle of nowhere.. Was it common to fake them way back in history?
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Did you dig it up yourself?
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Yes I did..
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Was putting in post holes, three holes in a distance covering about 45 feet.. These were in the walls of the holes when we were cleaning them out. I assume there are more, just dug them up today.
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We found 14 of them in those 3 holes, by the way.
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They are not "old" counterfeits - mid-20th century at the earliest.

As for "how they got there", it's unknown. Perhaps someone was playing a "find the buried pirate treasure" game with metal detectors, and these were never found. Or perhaps someone bought a bunch of them thinking they were real, and on finding they were fake they threw them away somewhere where no-one would ever find them.
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Can you provide a picture of the edge?
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I left them with the land owner, but I can get back out there in a day or two and get more pictures.
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I think I have found them... Must have been a trash pit at some time..

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Mid-20TH C junk pieces of base metal alloy.
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Sniff. I smell a rat.
Either the "post holes" were salted or the whole story is bogus.
There is no way they were found in three separate post holes spread over 45 feet!
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Modern fake. Ferdinand VI wasn't king until 1746 and no, the Mexico City mint didn't randomly choose their date dies, although modern Chinese counterfeiters do. Also, the border is wrong on the reverse as well as several other design elements. I'd also be willing to bet that when the coins are reexamined, you will find that the edge is reeded, which is also incorrect.
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