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*** Edited by Staff to Add Denomination to Title. It's very important to have in the title. ***Hello everyone, Picked this one up in Rome a few weeks ago as part of my 'buy (mostly) everything ' strategy... Nice luster in hand and I'm undecided on whether I like the toning or not... Thoughts would be appreciated!    Edited by Roma2021
11/14/2023 6:07 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Very difficult to evaluate the surfaces beneath this toning, but clearly a nice MS coin. Personally not a fan.
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Roma2021, Are you checking your silver dollars for VAMS? John1  |
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I'd say either an AU-58 or MS-63, but not sure that the obverse toning is original. Do you see any doubled or tripled letters on the reverse? Might be a VAM-28 if you are interested. http://vamworld.com/wiki/1904-O_VAM-28 |
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I'll say AU to low MS.
Errers and Varietys.
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An advice. You should be more weary of foreign silver in Europe than foreign gold. That was less likely to come here in trade and stay as the original coins.
I think most for sale must be recent imports in the numismatic trade. Unlikely you find bargains. When they are cheap look for problems. Same for foreign base metal coins.
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11/15/2023 08:48 am
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Unable to grade from these photos.
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@john1, doing that now  It's been a wonderful education @jecz, yes. I see A LOT of fake Morgan dollars in Rome. I have a few hundred posts with the coins I have found in Rome. |
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its a fairly decent strike for an 04(O). I know what you are going for and your limitations so I'm not going to comment at all on your acquisitions. first thought was AT so I'm going with UNC details (AT). my best guess is that someone may have dipped it in something and then baked it with some of the original chemical still on the coin. I'm not 100% convinced of this since all the progression colors are there for a fully toned coin but the blotchiness bothers me. typically when you see toned coins like this your notice that the colors are more smooth transitions and we are seeing sharp edges here. do a search on toned Morgan dollars and look through the images and you'll see what I mean toning progression is 1. yellow 2. brown 3. blue 4. red 5. green 6. purple 7. black |
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@pan I am interested in hearing your observations on all of my acquisitions. I won't be offended. Why would I post on an open forum if I didn't want to hear what people think? I'm not 100% sure what I'm going for ... So any thoughts would be appreciated... The only confusion this coin is causing (and I thought AT when I bought it) is that nearly all Italian collectors polish or at least dip their coins. I asked a dealer and he said 'in Italy, you polish all silver'. So I cannot imagine this coin was ATed in Italy. I have been offered worn, polished FHDs for €12-15 from the same dealer selling me originally coins for €7.50-8. Here are a few more images.    |
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i think you misunderstood my comment about your acquisitions. what I was getting at was your restrictions due to your location limit your purchase availability. I think you are doing great in what you are finding and have found some pretty nice pieces like the recent 81S you came across. I enjoy looking at your finds. I will always give you the best assessment I can based on the photos you present
regarding polishing, I don't think this one was polished based on what I'm seeing just up in the air about original surfaces and leaning AT
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Thanks @pan (and everyone). I did misunderstand. I don't think I have handled an obviously AT coin before, so this one is a good study. Like I mentioned above, it's uncommon to find ANY toning on coins here. I'd be surprised if an Italy collector had this in their collection for any period of time and didn't polish it. I find looking for american coins in Rome interesting, relaxing, and challenging. I am weeding through some of the Morgan's and Peace dollars this weekend and may trade some with a local collector for a few items that interest me more. I'll ask the forum about this when the details come into focus. These better coins I will keep. As long as I can always add interesting items to my collections without breaking my budget I am very happy doing this. I also bring some items back to the u.s. to sell occasionally. You, and many members of this forum, have been wonderfully helpful and encouraging. |
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