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Bedrock of the Community
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IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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Bedrock of the Community
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Tough call. That reverse is a concern. I'll wait for your photos on this one.
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Pillar of the Community
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Pillar of the Community
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Have to agree that reverse has issues.
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Pillar of the Community
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Yes - something odd going on with the reverse. Wonder if it was a result of storage conditions. The obverse is gorgeous. I'd say MS63PL, but may end up with a details designation.
"Nummi rari mira sunt, si sumptus ferre potes." - Christophorus filius Scotiae
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Bedrock of the Community
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The reverse looks off. Might be a details coin.
Errers and Varietys.
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Bedrock of the Community
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the obv says MS64. the reverse will have to wait. its tough to see whats there
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Bedrock of the Community
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Unc Details, cleaned. Obverse has heavy Reeding Marks or some other sort of contact mark across the neckline. Member ANA - EAC - TNA - SSDC - CCT #890 "Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done." -- Louis D. Brandeis |
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Bedrock of the Community
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11880 Posts |
IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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Pillar of the Community
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Do you see hairlines on the reverse? Looks like the seller's photos were a result of weird lighting. There is still a patina around the devices on the lower part of the reverse - not sure how that happened. Could have been some ugly toning isolated to that area that was removed by a cleaning fluid. What are your in-hand impressions of that area?
This Morgan is unusual in that the obverse is carrying the grade - although I'm not sure what the bumpy area around the eyes would indicate. Both dies look pretty fresh with frosting. I'll say MS64 with the possibility of an "improperly cleaned" designation due to the reverse. All in all a nice looking example.
"Nummi rari mira sunt, si sumptus ferre potes." - Christophorus filius Scotiae
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Bedrock of the Community
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MS details, someone did some cleaning on the reverse.
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Bedrock of the Community
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tough call on cleaning. the photos are not that sharp but the discoloration could be toning and the lighting/glare is altering what we are seeing here. typically you don't see a cleaning/dip whatever just on a small portion of a coin. however the area on the obv and rev do match up so it could have occurred.
as for the marks on the neck. they don't look like typical reeding hits but it could be the angle it was hit. they look a little too wide for reeds. PCGS does not like reeding hits and from what I've seen they detail the coin for them. I do think it was something that occurred post mint though
best guess. UNC details (cleaned/pmd)
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Bedrock of the Community
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Looks nicer than my poor photos. Will post a short video later. Thanks. Seems like many of my friends in the grading forum still haven't entered my contest which ends at noon today in about 6 hours. Since I didn't specify noon EST, it will be the last noon in the U.S. which is Hawaii time running 5 hours behind EST. Kindly submit your entry if you would like to participate. http://goccf.com/t/456157IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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Pillar of the Community
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Looking at this coin in more detail, it may be VAM-88/pitted obverse die. The date position matches and it has the large MM.
"Nummi rari mira sunt, si sumptus ferre potes." - Christophorus filius Scotiae
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Bedrock of the Community
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I'd still say the reverse has been cleaned. Look to the left of the eagle's right wing. The overall appearance of the reverse - based on my experience - is indicative of altered surfaces.
Regardless, for a coin which is widely available in top end grades, the damage to the neck would be a deal-breaker for me.
Member ANA - EAC - TNA - SSDC - CCT #890 "Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done." -- Louis D. Brandeis |
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Agree probably Unc -Details
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Posted 12/07/2023 8:51 pm
