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I Need An Expert To Teach Me To Overlay Pictures?

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I am trying to learn how to do picture overlays. (not sure that is the right term) I want to be able to put one picture on top of another to compare them. Somehow where one is outlined in one color and the other has a different color?

Does anyone know how to do this?

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I want to learn how also, for die clashes.

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Do either of you have Photoshop? That's by far the optimum tool to use because of its layering capabilities.
There's a bit of steep learning curve on that software, but I think it's worth the effort.
Coop might drop by and suggest his methods, which I deem to be better-developed than my own.
The overlays I do are a combination of photos and outlines to confirm positions of overdates, such as below.
Here I use two programs--Adobe Photoshop and Illustrator, which I find gives clearer results--but is a little more work.

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I've never done before but it looks like a basic overlay is easy to do provided you've got pics of the obv and rev of exactly the same size.

Apart from that problem, is this done correct?

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DL,
That looks like a nice example to me. I imagine that one's used to predict the position of a die clash?
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Yup, that was supposed to be one of those.

It's been done like this:
- Get pictures of obverse and reverse,
- Flip the reverse in the correct position*,
- Open Photoshop / Gimp,
- Open the obverse file in PS / G,
- Add new layer of the same size as the picture of the obverse,
- Copy and paste the reverse in the new layer,
- Lower the opacity of both layers (it's 69% here),
- Move one of the layers if it's not in precisely the right place, so that the rims are exactly one over the other.

* I use Irfan View for the simple things, of course you can flip the photo later on in PS / G.
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GIMP is free, Photoshop will eat into your coin budget!

GIMP is available for Windows, but I use it on my Linux system. GIMP is included with many of the linux distros, like Ubuntu (also free).
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save your $$$...Photoshop is best when your company pays for it.
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Photoshop is best when your company pays for it
Most definitely!

Of course, being a "sound" guy, I could only justify the purchase of Adobe Audition.

If I wanted to use Photoshop at work, I would have to bribe marketing to give me some Mac time.
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DL...thats what I was looking for...Thanks so much.
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If I wanted to use Photoshop at work, I would have to bribe marketing to give me some Mac time.

And PS works quite well on XP--I switched everything over a few years ago, no regrets at all.
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* PS does seem to run better on XP than Gimp.
* From what I've heard, most agree that PS is easier to use than Gimp.
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I would have to agree with both of those comments. I had some issues with GIMP when I installed it on Windows 2000 a few years back, but according to the support forum discussions, the problems were related to my (older) ATI video card. I did install it on another machine (nVidia video) with better results.

That said, GIMP on my Linux system is rather nice; ATI video and all!
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I believe coop uses ver 5.5. He has been using it for about ten years, and is quite capable. You have seen some of his work on this, and other forums. I had ver 4.0, but it wouldn't setup, so my "guru", wsent me a copy of 7.0. I have used it a bit, but it is hard, (for me) to get a hold of, unless one uses it constantly. I wanted to make the overlays for determining clash remnant sources, on Canadian coins.
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