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Authentication Quest For 1976-S 50c FS-101 Silver Business Strike.

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Authentication-Quest-For-1976-S-50c-FS-101-Silver-Business-Strike.
Authentication-Quest-For-1976-S-50c-FS-101-Silver-Business-Strike.
Seller's pictures from ebay.

1976-S 50c FS-101 Silver Business Strike

I am having a variety hunting adventure with this coin. Perhaps some day I will write a blog post about it, if I ever build a coin blog. (Note: As I wrote this, it essentially became a blog post for the forums. So be it!)

I have a soft spot for bicentennial coins. I was born in 1976, so people have been saving drummer boy quarters and giving them to me for my entire life. Ultimately, I would like to build a complete collection of nice 1776-1976 coins, including the varieties.

Over the past few months, I've gotten better at identifying varieties with the Wexler files, Variety Vista, and PCGS TrueView. I decided to test my skills against ebay for bicentennial coins. I blanked on quarters for the DDO and RPM, so I switched to Kennedy halves. I have really wanted a silver business strike 1776-1976 Kennedy half from San Francisco. After searching a couple hundred listings, I found what I believed to be an FS-101 candidate. I won an eBay auction for $20 for a nice coin. My reasoning was that I could be paying $5 over market for a normal coin, but has a gorgeous luster and I felt like rolling the dice.

I have not concluded this is an FS-101 coin, but it looks promising. Here begin the authentication challenges. The first is the difference in listing between the Variety Vista entry for FS-101 and the Wexler files. Variety Vista has a super crisp entry for We Trust. That's it. Uncharacteristically, there are no markers listed. The Wexler files entry for FS-101 have an expanded entry that includes the TY of Liberty, the date, designer initials, and hair on the back of the head. No images of the designer initials or hair are included. No indicators arrows for the date are provided either. Markers are a die scratch in the Y and a die gouge below the crossbar of the T. The Y is clear, the listing for T has no die gouge near the T crossbar, although it seems to have one near the post foot. Unless it is referring to the unbelievably tiny gouge halfway across the bar. Of note, the Variety Vista entry does not seem to have the scratch in Y. It does have the bump at the base of the T, but the crossbar underside is in shadow. The Wexler listing feels more like my coin, with the softer lines of a mid-late die state on a silver coin.

To get a feel for actual coin appearance instead of microscope pictures, I used PCGS TrueView. There are not many imaged entries for FS-101, and just 111 total certified. The doubling line on the right T post of Liberty seems pretty clear. Also, almost all of the listed coins have the die scratch visible in the Y.

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Authentication-Quest-For-1976-S-50c-FS-101-Silver-Business-Strike.
Wexler on the left, my images on the right.

Here it is worth noting that Kennedy halves are known for series and hub doubling. One of my concerns overall is that I might be correctly identifying doubling, but not the source (die vs. hub). The most prominent doubling on We Trust is on the middle point of the W, which has a little hat with double notches. Also on the top left serif—and possibly bottom serif—of the E. The E is what drew me to this particular coin.

Authentication-Quest-For-1976-S-50c-FS-101-Silver-Business-Strike.

The doubling on R and S are quite dramatic on the Variety Vista entry. Viewing the TrueView examples, the separation lines are nowhere near as strong as the Variety Vista entry, which was made with a sharply lit microscope. There is also a notch on the thickened left serif of the U, which clearly appears on my coin. Again, I have that sense that the U doubling has a softer hub doubling appearance than a doubled die appearance. However, I have long held that same opinion about doubling on Mercury dimes. Silver is much softer in the light than cupronickel.

The final challenge is my basic equipment. My little plastic magnifier and bar flashlight seem inadequate to image the fine doubling features. The silver is much more reflective than the nickels that I typically image. I am not getting good macro lens images, either. I have relied often on the original seller's images of the coin. Presently I have a post on the photography forum seeking input on an inexpensive coin scope, if anyone has a good recommendation.

So what's the verdict? Am I on the right track with this coin, or just wandering in the proverbial forest?
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Authentication-Quest-For-1976-S-50c-FS-101-Silver-Business-Strike.
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This is a comparison of We Trust to the top three PCGS TrueView examples. My coin is on the right.

To me, it looks like there is some doubling with the bottom of the left R post. It isn't visible in the Variety Vista or Wexler listings, but that seems due to glare.
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Impresive study, One question?:

The digit 6 it is not same.

Sugestion: The VV it is an good indicator, but has manny mist-up. Wex it is more accurate. In fact VV has the base on Wex database of what was before him sold this database around 1982 to Coneca. After when Will buy or go partener with, start the mass. Still be a very good refference site but look like 75% accuracy or less. I have no reson for this deviation, but we take as is.

First set of photos do not mention which coin which come from, hard to analyse. I like your approuch.



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Apologies, I missed the most important part of the original post: the coin! Added the seller's pics, obverse and reverse.

Authentication-Quest-For-1976-S-50c-FS-101-Silver-Business-Strike.
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Silviosi, regarding the digit 6, it's a little confusing on this coin because of 1776-1976. I put the Variety Vista 6's next to my coin above. I think they look pretty close. Below, I also compare Variety Vista vs. Wexler catalog for the 6 in 1976:

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So here's where I'm at with this investigation. I built a new mini-axial box last night that can fit a Kennedy half. The macro images weren't as pristine as I had hoped. Comparison images with the Wexler files on the left, and my coin on the right.

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Authentication-Quest-For-1976-S-50c-FS-101-Silver-Business-Strike.
Authentication-Quest-For-1976-S-50c-FS-101-Silver-Business-Strike.

I have, however, become pretty comfortable that this coin is from the same die as the five published TrueView coins on PCGS. You can see on this grid that all five coins plus my coin (upper right) have the same die scratch in the crook of the Y. My guess is that if I submitted it for attribution, it would probably pass their authentication steps.

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I wish that the T of Liberty weren't in shadow on all the PCGS coins, since that doubling line is a strongly visible marker. It is definitely visible on VV, Wexler, and my coin, so I will have to settle for that.

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Wexler on left, my coin in three lighting scenarios on the right.

What has become a real question to me is whether or not the coin examined on Variety Vista actually matches the Wexler file entry. The VV coin seems to have much sharper definition that I'm not necessarily willing to attribute to an earlier die state. Also, quite frankly, the VV coin has a lot of splotches and crud that make me skeptical that it was an uncirculated silver coin sold only in encapsulated three-coin bicentennial silver mint sets. The Y doesn't seem to have the die scratch.

The other open question is what is actually in the CPG, since I don't have that denomination book. I will try to figure that out presently. Does it use the Wexler files, Variety Vista, or have its own unique set of images? One would assume that if PCGS attributes the FS-101 variety in a way that matches Wexler, that's what CPG used, but that should be confirmed.

I have also expanded my research to NGC and Great Collections, and possibly ANACS. The NGC VarietyPlus entry for FS-101 illustrates the challenges of identifying the doubling. GC has a number of cert numbers for all three TPG, so maybe I can located some more real examples to reference.

https://www.ngccoin.com/variety-plu...date/818265/
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Interesting thread and your in-depth comparisons are very nice. (I graduated in 1976 so I have a soft spot for the proof and uncirculated sets as well.)

I agree with you that the die scratch in the Y seems to line up perfectly but that might be on a working hub like you said. So it could show up on a lot of coins, especially if that is one of the primary markers the attributers use.
Is your coin in the group of 6 images showing the die scratch in the Y?

Your last image of the T on your coin seems to show the separation on the crossbar nicely and it doesn't look to be present on the Wexler image.

Hmmmm....
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Is your coin in the group of 6 images showing the die scratch in the Y?

Yes, mine is the yellow tinted image in the upper right corner. The other five are from the mint state FS-101 TrueView coins from PCGS CoinFacts.

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Your last image of the T on your coin seems to show the separation on the crossbar nicely and it doesn't look to be present on the Wexler image.

I had noticed that as well. I actually believe that little bump is on both the Wexler and Variety Vista images, but is washed out by glare and shadows, respectively. I checked the TrueView examples for that, and while I can imagine that they have it, the TV photography angle always puts the right tip of the T into shadow. I checked the ordinary TV examples, too. So I don't know if that's a hub doubling feature or a die doubling feature.
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Brandmeister although you dialogue is completely out of my league, I gotta say I love those clear images
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Thanks, peanut. =) Although to be fair, many of these images are from professionals and not me.


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I agree with you that the die scratch in the Y seems to line up perfectly but that might be on a working hub like you said. So it could show up on a lot of coins, especially if that is one of the primary markers the attributers use.

Just wanted to address this particular point. I had been concerned about the TY markers because they only appear in Wexler and not Variety Vista. Both the T post doubling and the Y crook die scratch appear on the FS-101 TrueView examples on PCGS, and do not seem to appear on TrueView images of standard mint state coins.
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I think you might want to consider die state when you start comparing all these photos of the BS Silver 76-S.
Are you aware that CONECA (James Wiles) has listed a Master Die, MDO-001 for the 76-S? In the CONECA
Master Listings there is a listing for:
1976-S MDO-001
Designation: MD-1-O-II-C (P, D, S ,PR)
Description: Light spread on date.
UVC-226, DMR-001
Also in James Wiles Kennedy half dollar Book he says"
Designation, 1976-S ODV-005, MDO-001, MD-1-O-II-C, MMS-002d, RDV-005.
Description, Light spread on date. Strength of doubling will vary depending on hub state and die state.
I think your half dollar would be the BS Silver 76-S DDO-001.

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atrox, I was not aware of that. Is the MDO-001 listing on the CONECA site somewhere? The only Kennedy references that I have been using are Variety Vista, the Wexler files, and PCGS. I have found myself wondering if the 1976-S FS-101 is described in Wexler's book on treasure hunting Kennedy half varieties. I didn't even know that Dr. Wiles had published a book that included the 1976-S silver halves.
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