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I started wrestling with this coin a few days ago, and a couple weeks ago if you count the ebay hunt for it. There are a number of similar 1966 SMS DDO entries on Variety Vista. To complicate matters, the Wexler files system has revised almost all of the 1966 SMS DDO entries down to three doubled hubs. PCGS accredits five Cherrypicker varieties for the 1966 SMS 50c.    Split serifs can be seen on the LIB of Liberty. The I is particularly strong. The hair underneath the B is also doubled. The strongest split serifs are on IGWT. In many cases, it almost looks like tripling. All of the splits look stronger than just the ordinary Wexler doubled hubs. The markers are proving to be thorny. I could imagine this coin as FS-103, 104, 106 or any of the similar VV DDO entries for 1966 SMS 50c. I am continuing to work with the catalog and PCGS examples to identify the coin correctly, and working with markers to make a proper confirmation. |
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It looks so close to PCGS 101 - earlier die maybe? It appears 101 has a die chip right in front of the brow. Beautiful specimen without the doubling, DDO bonus I say. |
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Your photos look like the 66 SMS DDO-013, FS-103. I have all of the CONECA listed 66 SMS examples in my collection, and when I compare your photos to my half dollars yours looks like the DDO-013. The DDO-013 is the only SMS that has the doubling on the hair strands under the B in LIBERTY. Attached are photos of the CONECA listed markers for the DDO-013, stage A...yours looks like a stage A. Two light die gouges next to the rim south-west from IN. Die scratch from lower lip to chin. Die scratches north-south above arrows on reverse.    |
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Congrats and excellent comparison atrox
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Right, so I agree with you guys, the IGWT and LIB doubling does look just like FS-103 (which PCGS calls out as as a major variety Doubled Die Obverse). However, when I tried to confirm, I did not find any of the markers.    I also checked the PCGS examples for those markers, and all three on the FS-103 DDO page have the rim die gouges and lip die scratches. Since those probably happened during die polishing (scratches) or installation (gouges), I speculated that my coin probably isn't a match for FS-103. https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin...mages/146044 |
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 Not sure if this has any significance. I saw that a few VV listings mentioned doubled ears. It appears that this coin does as well, to some degree. But I haven't spent any time studying JFK's ears on other half dollars. A quick check on PCGS 1966 SMS 50c shows normal ears without any apparent doubling. |
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The doubling in the ear it is Hub Doubbling, so many Dies will have.
The markers depnd of the stage of the coin and also depend of the pairing of the Dies. Me I do not believe that an Doubbled Die must be just one Die used.
Sorry BRAND but the PCGS #146044 (SP) 67 show the ear doubling. What I do not understand it is the PCGS stop to show on the list the FS-103. Was delisted?
PS certifications which show ear doubbling:
82670147, 31956615, 29449246, 26596025, 26424931 and 31956614
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12/17/2023 7:03 pm
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PCGS lists Die Varieties of FS-102, 104, 105, 106 for the main 1966 SMS 50c.
For whatever reason, PCGS lists a Major Variety of 1966 SMS 50c Doubled Die Obverse, which is FS-103.
PCGS does not appear to attribute FS-101.
(roams off to look at the certs posted by Silviosi)
Edited by Brandmeister
12/17/2023 7:45 pm
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All of those certs are for the FS-103 DDO variety. Was your point that every 103 shows the ear doubling because that specific die shows working hub doubling? Maybe it corresponds to Wexler WWHO-001 or -002? |
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No. Not all the FS-103 has this future, only what I mention. Me I see on PCGS more then 30 and only those had this future. And as I state, the ear was hub doubbling so can touch other DD's.
I answer about 103 because was your question.
FS-101 still be listed. But if changes come or some was delisted? I have to ask the guys.
Maybe Stevens if see this can answer. From when Stan past aways, I had no more contact with Fivaz, or maybe some of the FS become one part. Hard to say this. I had no idea about behind the scene activity.
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Looks ok to me, nice find Brand.
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Not all the FS-103 has this future, only what I mention. Me I see on PCGS more then 30 and only those had this future. And as I state, the ear was hub doubbling so can touch other DD's. Maybe I'm not quite understanding. All the FS-103 doubled die coins are from the same die (in theory). That one doubled die was made from a single working hub. So it's an all-or-nothing thing: either all the FS-103 coins should have the hub doubled ear, or none of them. Correct? I do understand that the WWHO and WSDO doubled hubs were used to make many working dies. Some of those working dies ended up as doubled dies beyond just the hub doubling. |
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In that period was not only one working hub as per majority perceptions. Here it is the point you has some clouds.
Second: not neccesary all the doublied dies coins come from same Die. This was in time, and do not forgot that the SMs 65, 66 and 67 was from normal Dies. In that period was a rush for production and recovery. Very few MSM 65 was strike in 65. 66 production was till mid 67. What was with the SMS was repolish the Dies and special polish of the planchet.
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Thanks Brand, I do not usually do errors. But checked both of my 66 sms and both are DDO. Thanks again chip |
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Well, we've certainly chewed $5 worth of knowledge out of this coin. But the real question—is it possible to attribute it to a specific VV-DDO or a CPG FS-10# listing?
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The real answer is yes! Your half dollar is the 66 SMS DDO-013, and FS-50-1966-103 (13.8). The doubling on the hair strands under the B in LIBERTY in your photo is proof. The only half dollar (1966 SMS) with that doubling on those hair strands in the CONECA Master Listing is the DDO-013, FS-103.
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