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1964-D Kennedy Quadrupled Die Obverse & Qdo FS-105 - What's The Difference?

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 Posted 12/23/2023  2:15 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add canyonmule to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
As the title states, what is the difference aside from PCGS valuation?

I've looked at Wexler, the PCGS images and cannot see anything.

Thanks!
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In fact it is not a difference as I know. From one reason or other (PCGS internal decision) they do not wrote FS-105.
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silviosi, are you saying at one time PCGS gave the coin the FS-105 designation?

I am confused because there is two different coin #'s - 411631 & 145363 - and the value of the FS-105 is about half of the Quadrupled Die Obverse
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You can't take the grid prices on those variety coins as meaningful. You have to navigate to the page and look at the auction results. Even those prices are so thin that you're better off researching the auction prices on Great Collections and other sites.

The parent-child structure appears to be historical. At some point, PCGS decided to attribute a variety for a particular coin. Then later, an official CPG entry arrived. So when PCGS started attributing the CPG variety, they made it a child entry of the original PCGS variety, which is the same coin. You can find that ledger arrangement on many coins from 1940-1969 in varying denominations. Probably they can't just delist the original PCGS variety because there are still a ton of slabs out there that still have the original attribution. But from the CPG point forward all new slabs for that variety were issued by the FS-### designation.
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Brandmeister, thanks for your explanation. That makes sense. I'm not interested in having mine graded but the 2 different values threw me off.

I'm putting together a short set of Kennedy's, '64 - '70 and trying to decide on which varieties to include or make separate sets. Seems there are ~ 30 different varieties in that short span
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The 1964-D Quadrupled Die Obverse Half Dollar is one of the more important varieties in the Kennedy half dollar series. The quadrupling is most obvious on the U of TRUST and on the right side of the 4 in the date. This variety is known as FS-105 (or the old FS-013.6) according to the "Cherrypickers Guide."


In the quote you has the PCGS explanation for QDO. Why the different prices? = marketing.

Any how: the 105 it is under the main QDO and the PCGS always the second line has lower estimated market price. I can not answer why, I asked my self from long time but never ask PCGS because the prices are dirrect proportional with the demand.

Me I know only one QDO for 1964 D.
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thanks for the feedback guys, appreciated. I have one supposed to arrive today (see my post in the grading sub). Looking forward to seeing it in hand.

Next up, accented hair proof :)
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the 2 different values threw me off.

Yeah, I totally understand, because I had the exact same experience with nickel varieties. There's really two separate issues. First, the price estimates for the original PCGS attribution don't match 1:1 with the attached CPG variety price estimates, even though the coins are identical.

But that ultimately doesn't matter much, because second, the prices in their grid are completely disconnected from auction results for most grades of the coin. I think the mid-high MS grade usually maps adequately. But then the other grades are just derived as a percentage of the "reference" number. Even so, there are usually only 5-10 auctions listed for each grade, and their values can range widely. In doing research on a 1966 SMS DDO recently, you can see that the Great Collections auctions have considerable variation, but also see that there are way more PCGS slabs sold than PCGS bothers tracking.
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