Need Help Identifying A Cash Coin (Id: Modern Reproduction Of 13th Century Southern Song Cast Cash)

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dslobo New Member United States 16 Posts	Posted 01/03/2024 5:39 pm 48mm 35.1g Unsure of origin but possibly a wu zhu? Thanks, dslobo Report this Post to the Staff

SdKfz New Member United States 46 Posts	Posted 01/10/2024 08:10 am Interesting, never seen this type before, could be a fake. Report this Post to the Staff
dslobo New Member United States 16 Posts	Posted 01/11/2024 5:34 pm I'm leaning towards a fake based upon the lack of replies. Interesting to see the amount of corrosion though. Thanks to all that have taken the time to look at it. Report this Post to the Staff
Albert Pillar of the Community United States 1911 Posts	Posted 01/11/2024 6:28 pm Doesn't look fake to me at all. To my uneducated eye, it seems to have elements of legit coinage in a script or scripts that many are not familiar with. That could explain the lack of replies. It might be a coin / charm / token cast for some other purpose than commerce? Just have not yet been able to pin it down. It reminds me of Zhou, Ban Liang and Wu Zhu. That is to say the early round coinage. Report this Post to the Staff
Sap Moderator Australia 16806 Posts	Posted 01/11/2024 9:43 pm I would lean towards "charm" rather than "coin" - I couldn't find a match just trying to flip through the Chinese Cash catalogue. 48mm is also very large for a genuine early cash coin, but very typical for a large charm. Early cash coins also tended not to have inscriptions on both sides. The script is "seal script", a somewhat archaic form of Chinese script which is difficult for modern Chinese folks to read at the best of times (think of it as the Chinese equivalent of blackletter or "Gothic" fonts). Seal script continued to be used on some coins into the Song Dynasty (around the AD 1200s). The corrosion on this piece makes it even harder to read. Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis Report this Post to the Staff
Albert Pillar of the Community United States 1911 Posts	Posted 01/12/2024 12:00 am I was thinking maybe Annam, Japan, Korea? I did check the very large coins in my books and didn't find it in Schjoth. Yes there does exist some very large cast pieces of some types that are legit. But also there are numerous large pieces having details of days-gone-by used as paper weights (as I do). Tourist gift shop items and street vendors also have similar items. I see the character at 9:00 as seal script, but not 12:00 or 6:00. Makes me think it is not an emperor's name? One place I have not looked is FD, I am doing so right after I post this edit. Edited by Albert 01/12/2024 4:58 pm Report this Post to the Staff
Albert Pillar of the Community United States 1911 Posts	Posted 01/12/2024 6:34 pm I see it on page 220 in FD. Chun You Tong Bao 48 mm Some people have all the luck. I search selling and auction sites for unidentified coins like this hoping for a nice find. Chun You Tong Bao is in Hartill, but not seen in seal script. Right wrong good bad fake or otherwise sure is a nice piece. EDIT: Searching Chun You Tong Bao seal script online does return a few images, but the reverse is different. Some results list the coin but no pictures, Some show the normal script but not the seal script. Ding's last pages show many fakes. My meaning of fake for the purposes of this topic is different than his. Edited by Albert 01/13/2024 12:34 pm Report this Post to the Staff
dslobo New Member United States 16 Posts	Posted 01/23/2024 7:50 pm Thanks Albert for your comments. I have not seen any references online. You stated "I see it on page 220 in FD." Is this something that I can find online? Report this Post to the Staff
Sap Moderator Australia 16806 Posts	Posted 01/23/2024 10:31 pm "FD" is Fisher's Ding, a 1990 English translation by George A Fisher of an older Chinese-language coin catalogue by Ding Fubao. I think this book is still too new to be on Google Books. I have found an example of this fantasy-coin on zeno.ru: https://www.zeno.ru/showphoto.php?photo=191049 The seal-script four-character obverse is copied from a very scarce genuine coin, of 100 cash, normally made of iron. The reverse inscription on the genuine coins is different. http://charm.ru/coins/china/chunyou100cash.shtml Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis Report this Post to the Staff
AlfredG Valued Member United States 53 Posts	Posted 01/27/2024 3:11 pm 100% fake. Report this Post to the Staff
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