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1879 Indian Head Cent

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Hello folks!

Well today is the day of the oldest copper I found from USA. A very dirty and gunky 1879 Indian Head cent.

I think with this one it's probably a good idea to do some water and acetone baths.. that poor coin is dirty!

I would love to hear some of your opinions on this one. Do you see anything interesting and is it rarer than the other coins I posted? Are we in the AG/G grade realm? Hit me!

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As usual, thanks a lot!
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I'll say G details (ED).
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A perfect candidate for acetone and verdi-care.
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 Posted 01/17/2024  10:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Good Details, Environmental Damage. Try using pure acetone and Verdi-Care.
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Looks like that crud is raised on the surface. Try a bath in pure Acetone if that is available in Italy. It should allow for some of it to be removed.
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Thank you all! I will definitely work on this to clean it up. I also think most of that gunk will go away.
But I will probably leave it for a later time so that I may build some experience on other less valuable coppers!
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Experience prior to conserving value coins is essential - great position to take. However, there is not a lot of value with your Indian in its condition. I'd say it is an ideal candidate for an Acetone (100% Pure) bath and would likely clean up well. It would be a good indicator coin of what is possible. Put it in a sealed glass container of Acetone for 2-3 days, flip it a few times. I think you'll be surprised.

FWIW, I do a lot of coin conservations. The advice you received in this thread is spot on: Acetone and VerdiCare are your go to products. There are other tools/chems out there for more serious efforts but start with these two. Here is an example of Acetone and VerdiCare finishing a dirt coin that straight-graded.


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Hello DOCC! Thank you for your inspiring example! I would not believe these were the same coins! Excellent work!

By the way, this is to-date my brain dump of what I would do to clean coppers: http://goccf.com/t/458018#3974492
Would love to know your opinions. Do you think it makes sense to follow the "polarity ladder" and start with distilled water (w/ or w/o some added salts to make it slightly basic) and then acetone?

Thanks in advance!
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Read your post, you have the right strategy and toolset in my opinion. Disclaimer though, I have no experience with verdigone.

I do sometimes start with DW but only because most of the coins I process are dirt coins. I've found that alternating rounds of VC and Acetone works great. I also throw Sodium Sesquicarbonate into the mix frequently alternating all 3. However, I never run it stronger than 2.5% on coppers and 5% on silvers. I recently wrote a blog post on it if you'd like to have a read.
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Thank you DOCC for the pointers!
I will read and study your article with attention!

By the way, as we were talking yesterday about practicing on coins with even less value.. look at the coincidence.. today I found these two... http://goccf.com/t/459014
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Honestly, it is just what works for me. Not a definitive answer for conservation by any stretch of the imagination.

Oh wow, yup those other 2 are not going anywhere. #2 is pitted bad, corrosion has done its duty on that one - nothing will come of it.

I think #1 is a great candidate for practicing spot application of verdicare on the obverse. The coin is toast anyway but you could certainly get some experience from the obverse.
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