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1868 Spanish 5 Centimos De Real De Isabel II

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 Posted 01/20/2024  11:32 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Murasama to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I would like to show you these 5 Centimos de Real de Isabel II 1868, the bronze coin weighs 10.85 and measures 32mm in diameter. The thing is, as you can see, it has a strong print... Does anyone know what this could be due to? clash die? One coin over another when minting?

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 Posted 01/20/2024  11:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add HondoB to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It looks like the coin was damaged after it left the mint.
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 Posted 01/20/2024  11:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Your coin is showing PMD.
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 Posted 01/21/2024  01:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Murasama to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you for your answers. I'm not entirely sure if it is PMD. Please note the impressions under the ponytail and behind the neck, they are clearly part of the original mint, but they should not be there, this is clearly visible when comparing it with a coin in good condition.
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 Posted 01/21/2024  07:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

It looks like the coin was struck on one or both sides. Official counterstamps are not usually placed so close tho the edge to cause the shape of the coin to deform, so it could just be an individual trying to apply some kind of stamp to the coin (which makes it PMD).

I am not familiar with Spanish coins, so I don;t know if these were stamped for use in some other part of the world, but maybe someone else will know.
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The defects extend beyond the main diameter of the crushing, I refer again to the areas of the bow and behind the neck.Also although there are sharp shocks like cliffs, everything looks very homogeneous, including the patina.I show a photo of a coin in good condition, as can be seen in the area behind the neck, the original bow is not crushed, but rather a large part of it never existed, leaving drop-shaped reliefs.
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I show new photos from other angles
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What ever it is, looks like it happened after it left the mint.
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It's just a theory, but the line of four protuberances under the bow seems to coincide with the holes in a crown like the one on the reverse...

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Not sure I can see this, but you have been looking more closely.

Along with others, my guess is that the coin did not leave the original minting process like this.

It looks like it was struck later by something, maybe struck twice (based on the irregular deformation pattern on the reverse, and that we can see two similar horizontal patterns at 9:00 and 8:00 on the obverse).

If it was an official counterstamp, it's not PMD.

Anything else is PMD.

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