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1941 DDO Checked The 3 Sites And Couldn't Find A Match

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 Posted 01/27/2024  09:34 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add uruman to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
found these 1941 DDO just today but I can't match it to any of the listed , maybe different stage ? it has only these two markers that I can see ( last two pictures)
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 Posted 01/27/2024  11:31 am  Show Profile   Check -makecents-'s eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add -makecents- to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm not sure that this is a doubled die, maybe just misplaced metal.
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 Posted 01/27/2024  12:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rmpsrpms to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sometimes die doubling can cause an offset eyelid, ear, or an offset letter like the Y in LIBERTY, due to the cone shape of the die blanks of this era. This cone shape was done in order to guarantee complete hubbing. The doubling occurs due to first hubbing only being partial, such that the doubling only occurs nearest the center of the coin. If such an offset was continued to a full hubbing, a coin like the 1955 or 1958 Doubled DIes is created, but these tend to be caught and not put into service.

The presumed doubling on the top of the T on this coin could therefore not be due to an offset doubling, as it would show up on the other letters of the Mottoes.

Another possibility is a design change (type 3) doubled die. This happens when a design change is made and hubs from both the new and old designs are accidentally mixed during hubbing. If there was a small change, with the T being slightly different on one hub than the other, then using both hubs could result in such a doubled die. I'm not aware of a design change that affected just the T of TRUST, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen.

One issue with the type 3 explanation is that the extra top bar is smaller than the main top bar. So if this was a type 3 doubled die, it would mean the mint chose to make a smaller T, offset from the rest, as the last letter of TRUST, but this seems very unlikely.

So bottom line there does not seem to be an explanation that fits the coin design and minting processes that could support this being a doubled die.
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 Posted 01/27/2024  12:46 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Tacc to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Good information! Also a good approach to possible Doubled Dies on your coins,
is to first find the actual known Doubled Die Listing you think you might specifically have, and then try to match the known Die Markers.
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This year has a lot of similar last "T" in trust DDO. I might actually either send this one in or at leat put it aside. It could be a different die state of one of the ones pictured on the reference sites or a new one.?
My opinion anyway, for what that's worth.
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Definitely a DDO. Could be a new one or a different die stage.
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rpmsrpms, After I read you response to my post would please answer me , Have you look in VarietyVista or CopperCoins into how many 1941 DDO with the same type of doubling on the T are already listed ?. I'll wait for your response .
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