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2012 Grey Cup Dollar DDR & DDO

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 Posted 01/30/2024  6:50 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Enyaw to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Not sure if this has been posted before but I found this 2012 Grey Cup dollar with double die reverse and obverse with strong separations.


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 Posted 01/30/2024  8:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JohnWayne007 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Great find and congrats!

I have a 2012 Grey Cup Dollar DDO listed in my book but not a DDO / DDR.

I do have a DDO / DDR example listed for the standard Loon version for 2012 so I was under the assumption it would only be a matter of time before a DDO / DDR for the Grey Cup version would pop up sooner or later.
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 Posted 01/30/2024  9:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Enyaw to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks @JohnWayne007 I purchased a digital copy of your book and was searching for the ones you have listed when I came across it. I didn't know if it had been recognized before because it wasn't in your book and I couldn't find it when I searched CCF.
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 Posted 01/30/2024  10:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JohnWayne007 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I didn't know if it had been recognized before


I have not personally seen one, I would classify it as a recent discovery, had I known about it I would have included it in the reference list. 2012 was a good year for doubled die varieties with some of them being fairly major, so I'm happy to see other variations of doubled die varieties still being discovered.
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 Posted 01/30/2024  11:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Errers and Varietys to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice find!
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 Posted 01/31/2024  10:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chadcoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice. I have a stash of these rolls, first inspect the ends then I might crack a few,
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 Posted 01/31/2024  12:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chadcoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Had one as an end coin and cracked that roll and found about 8 - 10 of them. There is alot of different types and variations of this double die. I will take micro pics and post my finds. Stay tuned!!
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 Posted 02/01/2024  11:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chadcoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Im seeing double die on both sides of this coin but not as strong as some.
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 Posted 02/01/2024  11:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chadcoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Found 15 double dies in that roll. Many variations. Heres one with the foot of the 1 broken but later shows up broken off. This is what I found.
Full necklace and partial necklace double die
East - west direction DD
Strong and weak DD
Grey Cup handle Chip
Broken 1 at the foot - missing the broken foot of the 1
DDO - DDR and [DDO-DDR]

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 Posted 02/01/2024  11:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add okiecoiner to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
These last photos that you are putting up are not double dies, they are Die Deterioration and/or MD.
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 Posted 02/01/2024  3:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JohnWayne007 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Chadcoins,

Nice examples, minor, but they are doubled dies! I would have to look back in my notes but when I was writing the first edition of Modern Canadian Doubled Die Varieties I was trying to reach out to you.

Some of your finds in the past have caught my interest, if you want to reach out via email my email is open on my profile, I am currently working on the second edition of my book and I was wondering if you wanted some of your past and recent finds included.

Okiecoiner,

If you look at the top of the "1" you will see clear notching of the first and second hubbing impression, it's subtle but unmistakable.
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All the coins I found were already documented and I didnt want to reinvent the wheel. I posted the 1s together to show the foot in tacked then when it broke off.
I need to see what has been published first for comparison's.
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 Posted 02/02/2024  11:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chadcoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just checking if you got my email
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 Posted 02/02/2024  12:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add okiecoiner to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That necklace sure looks like MD to me.
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Okiecoiner,

you are going by how the US identifies Machine Doubling with the "flat shelf-like" appearance, however for Canada, our designs ARE flat shelf-like, so the doubled designs from the first and second hubbing impressions will look flat.

The only way to determine MD on Canadian coins is to look for notching and separation between the hubbing impressions, the US method will not work on Canadian coins.

If there is no notching or separation present, then it is MD, but if there is, then it is a doubled die.
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