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1858 (Deneshka) Russian Coin

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The word "Deneshka" means "little money" to me. I never heard this word being used this way. It is obviously a very archaic Russian. May someone expand/explain the use of this word on this coin to me? Also, what is EM?

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The denezhka, or denga, was worth half a kopeck. The name on the earlier coins was "denga", but the name changed from 1849 to "denezhka"; I'm not entirely sure why.

German low-face-value coins of the same time period often include the word "scheidemunze", or "small change coin". Perhaps the name change was intended to reflect similar sentiment; that the government was providing these teeny tiny coins for the benefit of the poor. I believe they stopped making them in 1867.

"E.M." is the mintmark, for Ekaterinberg mint.
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I'm not entirely sure why.


I don't know either, but hopefully @j1m will weigh in when they see this thread.
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Possibly to bring it in line with the other names for fractionals which were historically diminutive forms

Denga -> Denezhka to come into line with polushka and kopeyka

Polushka is from polovina or "pol" (half) as in "half denga"; see Polgrosz for an example of this in Polish coinage

This form can be seen also in polupoltinnik (1/4 ruble) = half of a poltinnik (50 kopek or 1/2 ruble)

Kop'jo (spear) -> kopeyka (kopek)
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I am glad that my language can help some collectors in finding information.

"E.F. Cancrin's reform and new terminology.
In the early 40s of the XIX century, Finance Minister E. F. Kankrin carried out a monetary reform, as a result of which devalued banknotes gave way to full-fledged credit cards. Therefore, a copper coin of a new weight and type (16 rubles from a po#1086;d) equalized in price with silver. The monument to this was the inscription "in silver", which was placed for ten years after the denomination on all coins of the new series (from 1839 to 1848) from the half to the three-kopeck piece, which appeared then for the first time. The nickel was not minted in this series. But weight gain it was temporary. Since 1849, they switched to coinage of a new type (without the word "silver") in 5, 3, 2, 1, 1/2 and 1/4 kopecks for 32 rubles from a pound, and the face value of the last two coins is indicated by the words money (a new term!) and a polushka; and monograms are placed on them, as well as on a kopeck instead of the state coat of arms on other coins. The emperors are Nicholas I and Alexander II. (On the coins of the previous series, the monogram it was on all denominations)."

Thus, the money is 1/2 kopecks. The emergence of a new term is associated with the weight loss of copper coins. For reference, 1 pood = 16.38 kg
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I have no idea why they switched from "denga" to "denezhka"; perhaps the diminutive was becoming the more common term for the denomination at the time, as it became an increasingly tiny amount of money.
There were still 1/2 kopek coins after 1867 (indeed the Soviets still issued some in the 1920s) but they said 1/2 kopek, not "denga" or "denezhka".

Historically AFAIK the denomination came first and only became a generic term for money later; it's a borrowing from Golden Horde "dang" and related to the modern Kazakh tenge.
The kopek (kopeyka = the one with the spear) was introduced in 1535 and rapidly became the default denomination, relegating the previously dominant denga to "1/2 kopek".

EM indeed stands for Ekaterinburg mint (in Russian, but the initials are the same).
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