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1280 (Type 2A) King Edward I 1 Penny

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I think I got this one correct - spent many hours on it.
This is a 1280 type 2a Edward I 1 penny silver coin.
Here is a bit of my research:
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces323723.html
and especially this site:
https://www.ukdfd.co.uk/pages/edwar...tm#Group%202

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Type 2a (1280) - Spink 1385, North 1014
Coins of type 2a are very similar to those of type 1d, in all respects except the crown. The crown of 2a is from a single punch, and has a thin headband, which is shaped to the ornaments. The left leaf of the central fleur is usually incomplete as a result of damage to the punch. (The crown of 1d is composite, and has a wide plain headband and 'detached' ornaments.) The N's of 2a are usually reverse-barred, but normal N's also occur. Contractive marks are wedges. The neck of type 2a is short and the drapery is wider than that of 2b.

1280-Type-2A-King-Edward-I-1-Penny 1280-Type-2A-King-Edward-I-1-Penny

Now on to researching my Edward II coin to make sure I'm correct, and maybe narrow down the year...
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A very nice early example. Both sides clear with minimal clipping.

It does have the retrograde N's (in ANGL, DNS, and the first last N in LONDON)
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It's a master class in and of itself and could probably take up the better part of a few months of research. I only know the bare minimum needed to attribute the major subtypes, if that.

With several distinct classes identified (at least 10 if I recall) and a plethora of subtypes within those classes, it's as much guesswork as anything. New varieties still turn up in detector finds, an amazing thing for an 800 year old coin type. This is aggravated by the fact that coins with similar basic legends and designs were used for both Edward I and Edward II.

One neat thing about these coins is that we can see that the city name was already spelt 'LONDON' in the late 13th c.

Londinium -> Lundenwic -> Lundenburh -> Lundene -> London

How that "u" became an "o" in the city name is one of the more enduring mysteries among scholars of Early Middle English in the years after 1066. The "o" spelling is variously ascribed to influence from Norman French, one of the Brythonic languages, one of the insular Celtic languages, Danish, Norse, or a wide variety of other explanations, some more mythical than historic.

The early Edward coins provide a great glimpse into how the language was evolving at the time via their mints with many spelling varieties. A few examples:

Berewic (Corn Farm) -> Berevici / Berewici (Berwick)

Ceaster (Fort) -> Cestrie (Chester)

Dunham (Hill Village) -> Dureme / Duremie / Dunelm (Durham)

Cyninges tun (King's Hill) - > Kingeston -> Kynceston (Kingston-upon-Thames)

Sometimes the Roman/Latinate names seem to have been more influential than their Anglo-Saxon equivalents:

Cantiacorum (Anglo-Saxon Cantwaraburh) for Canterbury seems to have influenced the spelling of that city on Edward's coins as CANTOR.

Eboracum (Anglo-Saxon Eoforwic) was used for York (as the genitive EBORACI)

The Latin-but-not-Roman Novum Castellum (Anglo-Saxon Munucceaster = Monk Fort) was used for Newcastle-upon-Tyne (as the genitive NOVICASTRI)
Castellum is the diminutive of Castrum (Ceaster)
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@paralyse: Thanks - That is a great summary about this era and the coins produced back then.

I'll just add that there are 15 groups for these coins with many that are sub-divided.
https://www.ukdfd.co.uk/pages/edwar...The%20groups
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So have you had a chance to see my Edward II coin I posted - I welcome your thoughts and experience on this one.
1315-1317 (Type 13) King Edward II 1 Penny
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