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Equipment Impaired Photos, 1998-D 5c Pl, 1970-D + 1978-D 10c

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I will be investing in better equipment ASAP, but today is today and this is my life. I took the liberty of zooming in on the areas I desperately need opinions on. The 1998D nickel is proof like and is full steps no doubt, yes? And the dimes, while they may be as good or better than those few on PCGS with a FB designation in this year/mark, I assume that means absolutely nothing. Meaning, for me, these are iffy, and most likely a no to FB?

I appreciate all of the help you may provide and I am sorry, I know want the entire coin for the dimes but it will look like the nickel and no help for the FB question. Please forgive me for that.-J


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You are putting too much effort in finding FB on modern dimes because it is expected. FS on proof nickels is also expected so no big deal there,but your coin is a Denver not a San Francisco.It does not look PL to me. Also,one coin per thread is always best.
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to the CCF

Please limit yourself to one coin per thread ... otherwise the discussion is hard to keep track of.

Your 1998-D nickel is a business strike with expected FS ... this is the everyday and common strike quality on modern Jefferson nickels.
Take a look at my other hobby ... http://www.jk-dk.art
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Sorry guys. The 1998D nickel looks overly reflective to me and has what I thought looked like the hairline marks from polishing the dies that proofs have. Being that both the regular strike($850) and proof like($900) both have only a 66 as top pop, I thought further investigations was warranted. My bad

The dimes were sort of the same thinking that the 1970D has only 2 67's ($3500), I thought if mine could receive a 66($525) if might be worth sending. The 1978D dime has a 66+(1300) top pop and I thought again a 66($450) might be worth a send in.

I will mail off my Indian penny Monday and was just wanting to check if I maybe should add a few to the order. Sorry. I'm new
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I can tell from one of the '78 photos that it wouldn't even be ms63. The '70 is a far cry from a problem free sharp strike. The '98 nickel is not spotless which is needed for a gem quality coin or even a high choice grade. I just posted some 'spotless' nickels here on the grading forum and they are not even getting MS66 from the experienced folks here.

I have been looking for MS66 coins out of BU rolls and mint sets for years and out of tens of thousands of coins only found a few. Like less than a dozen few and thats just my opinion. Getting a TPG to agree and have them graded as such is a whole other story.

Save your money and don't send coins into third party grading companies. The chances of finding a top pop is in the hundreds of millions, per coin and mintmark (literally).

Enjoy the hobby, expand your grading knowledge, be realistic, and spend more time at PCGS photo grade and less on the price guide. Or prove me wrong and share your experience! I would love to see a true gem top pop coin story on this forum one day!
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Thanks CaptainKurt, you won't get any "prove you wrong" stories from me as I am only now about to mail in my first submission Monday.
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I have no experience with grading to say you are wrong (but I think you are) about the 1978D dime. I can only go by what you already said and I have stared at the grading photos unil I am crosseyed (which might be the problem) but this coin


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don't look busted up like these coins, to me.







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So sorry, not trying to be a jerk. I was once as eager as you are to find gems. Still am but I have learned along the way how hard it is.

First, we can not compare apples to oranges, so morgans to modern dimes is not a case to be made.

Second, the photos you just posted emphasize how much good photography is critical. Those new photos at a glance look absolutely flawless, right?

Well, they are small, out of focus and show no detail. Lets look at your original close up and see what is going on. Also, remember that for a modern dime it must be perfect to justify sending it in for grading. Not only the highest grade given for any dime graded but also a perfect full torch too. Looks like only one full torch has been graded by PCGS so we should be very picky at the details to be sure its full torch. I know PCGS will be. Full torch means all vertical lines are unbroken and both bands are fully separated.

edit - sorry only one for the '78 but a few for the '78-D. Nevertheless, it would have to be at least MS65FB. Also, PCGS only requires separated bands. NGC grades with Full Torch. I had to review an old thread that I started a few years ago about modern FB/FT dimes. Check it out!
http://goccf.com/t/416780
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I don't think you or anyone here is being a jerk. Everyone that has responded to my posts, I am happy to gain wisdom from. It is difficult when you are young and just starting out because, yes, I seen those marks you pointed out on the dime I posted but when I look on PCGS to compare I see ones like this are ms67 FB it gives the wrong impression to me. And I certainly wouldn't then think mine was a 61 or 62.. That bottom band don't look like a FB to me either. I suppose like many things coin grading is a fluid situation.

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Jadenewbie,
Here is a link on learning to grade:https://www.pcgs.com/photograde/
Here is a link on values,also check ebay sold values:http://m.numismedia.com/rarecoinprices.htm
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One of the main aspects of grading that is also very difficult to grasp, even for the experienced, is strike quality. It is the first step.

One must assess if the coin has been struck hard enough, with fresh clean (newer) dies. Only after the strike quality is assessed are deductions then made for distractions.

So, you can have a perfectly clean coin with very few distractions but if the strike quality is weak then the highest grade possible starts with a lower scale and the deductions start from there.

Take this 1935 quarter I have as an example. The pictures show a flawless coin as far as distractions from marks right? But the detail in the strike quality is lacking. Even though this coin has minimal marks its grade can never be above an MS65 because it lacks detail.



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Your coin may have been struck hard enough and have a good chance and full split bands. Just look really closely. Is the bottom one split all the way to the fields on the right side? Are there no marks or hits along the split? Are the bands tall and puffy and not flattened?

If so, send it in! Who knows? Give it a shot! I am no grader. I have little to no experience sending coins in for grading. I do know the astronomical odds based on population reports. I can also assume thousands of more experienced people since 1985 (PCGS Start date) have tried to get a full split band '70's dimes to grade favorably.

I really don't have any good evidence to say one way or another for your coin. I only have two small close-up shots to go by. No clear, full shots of both sides of the coin as the forum suggests for proper analysis.
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CaptainKurt, Thank you so very much for everything and the example. I will remember the knowledge you have given me and I appreciate it. I also realize that it is very difficult to judge a coin I own because I WANT them to be a high grade and it is hard to be realistic. Take care -J
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