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1736 8 Real Pillar - Help A Novice

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 Posted 02/17/2024  10:09 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add AirCooled75 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Good evening. I am looking to learn more about a 1736 8 Reales Pillar coin that I acquired roughly 20 years ago. My Google searching has led me to conclude that I am best served to turn to folks with real expertise in order to determine what I have, its authenticity (I understand counterfeits are common), and its relative condition. This coin has been sitting in the back of our safe for close to two decades and I only recently came back across it and thought I should gain some better understanding of what it is and how I ought to be protecting it (assuming it's worth protecting).

Thanks in advance for your assistance in educating a novice.


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to the CCF, AirCooled75!
I don't see any glaringly obvious signs that your 8 reales is counterfeit, although you should check it's specifications against those listed on Numista https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces15066.html
Yours is in excellent condition except that it appears to be a "shipwreck" coin from the signs of corrosion.
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Thank you for the warm welcome and the insight, Hondo. I'm pleased to hear it appears to be a shipwreck coin as the dealer I bought it from claimed it was from a recent (at the time) shipwreck discovery. I believe I was provided some paper that basically said "we promise this came from xyz wreck" but it struck me as more of a piece of marketing material than any real chain of custody of the coin, but at least the story is tracking. I'll have to see if I can track down that document.

I will also take your advice to check the specifications. Thanks again.
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I'm having trouble with the Shipwreck thing.
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Hey Keith, could you describe your thoughts? Looking to learn.
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Attractive coin. It looks like an authentic struck coin rather than a counterfeit. The corrosion is evident on the letters above the crown.

I'll make a guess that it came from the 1747 Reygersdahl wreck salvage, which produced many high quality pillar dollars dated 1732-1744. They sell on ebay for about $1000, mostly poorer quality than yours.
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Thanks, thq. I spent some time today reading about Reygersdahl and it certainly seems plausible (and fascinating history on all these wrecks). If this coin is potentially valued in the range mentioned, are there any recommendations on how I might go about protecting it or even authenticating it? Today it's stored in a humidity controlled safe by inside a soft pouch. I have some collectible cards. Is it advisable to store this in a particular hard case, or even to go ahead and have it authenticated and placed into one of the holders those companies provide? Part of me says if it's worth something, protect it, and the other part says it's been around for nearly 300 years and seen its worst days already.
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Its worst days are behind it. Personally, I don't have concerns with authenticating shipwreck coins. I keep them in plastic flips, which is how the auction houses and coin shops sell them. If you want to dive into this immense field of coin collecting, Sedwick Coins is a good place to start.
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Thanks again, thq. I weighed the coin and it came in around 25.5g. I also took some additional photos of the coin which I thought I'd go ahead and share here. I'm leaning toward selling this as it could probably go to a better home than mine where it sat unappreciated for 20 years. Maybe I can use the funds to dive into some less expensive coins that my 6 year old son and I can collect together. Probably a more educational collecting experience for him than Pokemon cards.
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Maybe I can use the funds to dive into some less expensive coins that my 6 year old son and I can collect together.
Great idea!
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The surface corrosion is a lot more evident in the second set of photos, and explains the low weight (27.3 grams as-minted). Corroded silver salvage coins are often underweight by 30%. Yours still has good details.
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