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Turkish Ottoman 1/4 Altin From 1808 (Id: 20th Century Jewelry Imitation)

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 Posted 02/21/2024  7:41 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add hillhere to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I inherited my mothers coin collection which basically consists of 1,000 coins from left over change from her numerous visits to foreign countries.

But there was one small gold coin amongst the lot that looks interesting. It appears to be from the Turkish Ottoman Empire under Mahmud II in 1808. I can find numerous other coins that are similar to mine but nothing exactly the same.

See images attached. Does anyone think this coin is unique?

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 Posted 02/21/2024  8:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@hill, first welcome to CCF. Second, you may have an imitation coin here meant to be used for jewelry. I'm going to move your post over to our "unknown" subforum to get some more eyes on it.
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 Posted 02/21/2024  11:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Unfortunately, I would agree - this is a "jewellery imitation", and not an actual coin.

It might still be gold, but these jewellery imitations almost always aren't made of gold - if they could have afforded real gold, they would have bought a real gold coin.

The date on your coin is Accession 1223 Regnal Year 11, which would convert to AD 1817. However, as an imitation, it almost certainly is not actually that old and it more likely dates from the 20th century. It is copying the design from the Zeri Mahbub series of gold coins, but the toughra in particular is very, very stylized - the toughra is the sultan's personal signature, and anyone doing such a sloppy job on reproducing it on an official coin from the Constantinople mint back in 1817 would have likely lost both their job and their head.

Using actual gold coins for jewellery has a long history in Turkey, going right back to Greek and Roman times. The thin gold and silver coins of the Ottoman Empire were particular favourites; it is rare to find genuine coins from this time period without hole punched in them for wearing as jewellery.

But for poorer women who couldn't afford to buy actual gold coins to accessorize their wedding dress or party outfit, replicas were (and still are) commonly used instead. The coins are designed to "look like coins at first glance", but not be realistic enough on close inspection to have the replica-maker charged with counterfeiting.

In the West, such jewellery imitations are sometimes called "belly dancer coins", though this is an oversimplification of what they were normally used for.
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Thanks for your detailed information. I am almost certain that mother would have bought this cheaply in Israel in 1980s as a memento of her trip. The rest of her coin collection is likely to be worth just a fraction over its face value.
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