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IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.comEdited by numismatic student
02/29/2024 4:43 pm
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Is that purplish color accurate?
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Great coin but the color is indicating it was cleaned.
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Looks like it was done in MS70
Tim Hughes
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I don't really know how to grade these. The particular variety is very well known for being challenging to grade correctly.
Not sure about the color.
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My only concern is the R in TRUST, it looks to be pretty strong for a DP2. However, it literally has all the rest of the markers for DP2 except the die rev die crack, which isn't always there. I believe it's genuine.  I think it's had some light conservation work done. The stains in the right, obverse field and on the reverse by STATES are characteristic of verdigris removal - most likely with olive oil. That said, I have no problem with how it was done. At least they didn't ruin the coin by dunking it in vinegar and salt. The purple toning is MA and adds eye appeal IMO. For a coin like this I consider the conservation completely MA and I would consider buying the coin myself if I was in the market. I like it, of course, I love toned coins, but it's actually a fantastic example of the no D. AU-55 Edited by BadThad
03/01/2024 2:07 pm
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Thanks for your great analysis BadThad. I am a great fan of Verdi-Care and have two bottles on my shelf right now. Great product and a numismatic treasure imho!  Just to be clear, in your assessment, this is the DP1 variety with no D and the weak reverse, not the DP2 with the strong reverse. I am guessing that you came to this because the WE in the motto is very mushy. But isn't the strong reverse unique to DP2? I see that the wheat lines seem very sharp and fully separated in both wheat stalks on this coin.   These are the wheatlines from an uncirculated DP1 coin   Moreover, one of the unique characteristics of DP1 is that the L in LIBERTY does not touch the rim. This coin appears to exhibit the L in LIBERTY touching the rim consistent with DPs 2-4. DP2-4 [This coin pictured below]  vs. DP1 coin below  Another unique attribute of DP2 is that the second 2 in the date is sharper than the first 2. That seems to be the case for this coin.  In DP1 and DP3, the second 2 in date is weaker than the first 2. The example below is from a DP1 coin.  The coin for all the DP1 coin details pictured above can be seen below in full for comparison to the coin on this thread. Clicking on any of the images will open a window with an enlarged and detailed picture that is very useful in sussing out any coin details, especially for the full coin images below..  If you have a chance, kindly take a second look and let me know your thoughts on my observations. IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.comEdited by numismatic student
03/01/2024 02:19 am
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Looks like a genuine DP2 strong reverse to me. I'd say AU-58, although it can be hard to tell strike weakness from wear. The toning might be from an old cleaning and retoning, but it's attractive and doesn't really detract from this great coin.
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Lovely coin. Take a look at my other hobby ... http://www.jk-dk.art |
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any 22P is difficult to grade. i'd call it mid-high AU and I agree with badthad regarding verdigris. would it grade straight? good chance. my grade AU55+. they may net the grade on this one. my question is this coin, in that grade, has substantial value. why isn't it slabbed to protect it and assign a grade. my guess is that it may have been and cracked out when the coin received a details designation. just a guess
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Agree, cleaned and recolored.
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why isn't it slabbed to protect it and assign a grade. my guess is that it may have been and cracked out when the coin received a details designation. just a guess This coin is entombed in a PCGS holder. I don't have the coin yet but will update when it comes in. Thanks for all of your kind and helpful comments. IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.com |
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This coin is entombed in a PCGS holder. I don't have the coin yet but will update when it comes in.  ok, then I'm going to say that they net graded it and gave it a pass rather than detail it. |
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A nice example! I envy your acquisition, as it is one of the two remaining holes in my Dansco. I know what you are thinking, and you are correct. I will crack a slab to fill that hole. It should go without saying that my eventual purchase will be found a bit further down the grading scale.  |
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ust to be clear, in your assessment, this is the DP1 variety with no D and the weak reverse, not the DP2 with the strong reverse. I am guessing that you came to this because the WE in the motto is very mushy. Dummy me, I meant DP2!! LOL (corrected my post)  |
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