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1910 S $5 - Is This Weak S?

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 Posted 03/02/2024  3:58 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add SilverSwan to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello all,

I purchased this coin in the hope that it was a "Weak S" variant. As I understand it, PCGS don't aknowledge the Weak S as a variant so I sent it to NGC as a crossover, and chose the VarietyPlus add-on service.

My estimation was based on the images provided by NGC in this link, but looking at other slabbed Weak S coins, they are so weak you can barely see them. So I am now wondering whether it is a variant at all...

https://www.ngccoin.in/variety-plus...1929/?page=1

Any thoughts on this would be appreciated. Do you think it is a Weak S? or is it just a partially worn S, or a not-weak-enough to be a Weak S?



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 Posted 03/02/2024  4:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverSwan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here Are some more pics

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Thanks Coinfrog
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These are tuffy's for sure. Your close-up pic is a little blurry when I try to zoom in...
The NGC variety plus page does not describe any diagnostics and the picture(s) leaves you scratching your head because ALL Weak example images on their site are of the same picture 09-16.
What was the PCGS grade? Is there a True-View pic of her on their site?
Good luck and please follow-up with us when you get her back.
Thanks for sharing!
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Thanks so much for the reply Smat45. I knew this would be tough. Maybe I am just at the mercy of the graders...

I also noticed the NGC image is a catch-all generic pic, although it took me a while to spot that. Initially, I was full of optimism that the 1910 image looked so similar to my example.
Since then, I have searched for pictures of other slabbed examples. One looked very similar, but most looked noticeably weaker. So much so that you can barely tell there's a mintmark at all.

Good call on the True-View, I hadn't thought of that. It was AU55. I requested minimum 53 on the NGC form though, so this result could be really disappointing if it downgrades without the variant notation...

https://www.pcgs.com/cert/48428041

Another question for the more seasoned grading submitters, does the fact that it is at "Grading/Encapsulation/Imaging" with the coin description "1910 S $5" mean they have already made their mind up? Or is this still to be decided? I am wondering whether her fate is already sealed...
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have they already made their mind up? Or is this still to be decided? I am wondering whether her fate is already sealed

I would say that does not mean her fate is sealed as it appears that PCGS just doesn't consider a weak S to be a variety. Unlike NGC who do believe that it is a variety. So, she could get the variety designation if she is sent to NGC. Hopefully this helps
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There are some other images on Heritage archives. ANACS has also attributed them - https://coins.ha.com/itm/indian-hal...bnail-071515. I don't see anything at all on some of these so maybe there's a definitive die marker?
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Apologies JohnHenry, I should've clarified it is currently with NGC at "Grading/Encapsulation/Imaging" and already has "1910 S $5" in description section...
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Thanks for the reply Kbbpll,

I have also noticed the seemingly invisible S examples. But there are also these. they have a faint mark, more prominent at the top of the S and fading towards the lower part.

https://coins.ha.com/itm/indian-hal...pe=NGC131319

https://coins.ha.com/itm/indian-hal...pe=NGC131245

Here is my one zoomed in from TrueView. Unless someone can confidently put me out of my misery, I'll cling on to some hope just yet...

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I should've clarified it is currently with NGC at "Grading/Encapsulation/Imaging" and already has "1910 S $5" in description section...

Ok, my bad . If is currently going through the grading process then there is still hope as that is likely them just stating what year and mint the coin is from. If you sent it in with the Variety service it probably won't get the designation until their all done with grading it and it's about to be encapsulated.
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Thanks Johnhenry. +5 optimism gained from your comment
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Based on the level of wear, my guess is not a weak S. But take that with a grain of salt because I don't know this variety. Just guessing on wear vs remaining detail.
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Interesting thoughts BH1964. Most examples are in AU condition though. That said, with the mintmark being the highest point, maybe my one is just a slightly worn normal S

Appreciate all input guys.
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It's not a Weak S. Quite disappointed but it's all part of the learning curve I guess..

https://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/6945833-001/55/
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