2 Pieces For Identification. Thanks! | Jeton And Imitation

Neither are "real coins".

The one on the left is a brass jeton of some kind; from the shape of the lettering, I'd say 1400's or early 1500's. The ship is reminiscent of the ships on English gold coins of the period.

The one on the right is a replica of an Ottoman Turkish gold coin. The writing is very chunky and distorted. Replica gold coins like this are used as ornaments and decorations by folks who couldn't afford real gold coins.

I'm back home with my reference books now, so I can give a bit more info about the one on the right.

The design this coin was copied off is Ottoman, but I was wrong about "Turkish"; the mintname is a bit garbled, but I think it's supposed to be Jazair: Algeria. I found this coin, an Algerian silver coin of the mid-1800's (KM# 75), which seems to have been the prototype design for this coin. The imitation itself is still probably of Turkish or Middle-Eastern origin.

As I said, it's similar. Coins from the various parts of the Ottoman Empire often looked quite different, and this one is the closest "real coin" I could find to this design. Even coins that are supposed to be the same type often look quite different; Ottoman coins at the time were still made the old-fashioned way, by hand. The picture in Krause is a much closer match than the picture in the CoinArchives example. The six-lobed "flower" with the mintmark in the centre, in particular, seems to be a very good match for this Algerian coin. As for the other side, turn the OP's bottom picture around 180 degrees and the text is a better match for the one in the link.

As for why they'd use a silver coin as a model for an imitation gold coin, again, I have no idea. This, combined with the degenerate lettering, makes me think that the person making the copies wasn;t a local and couldn't read Arabic, and just copied what seemed to them to be the important bits. But if, as I surmised, it was made locally for local use, then I'd have trouble believing that; most citizens of the Ottoman Empire could read Arabic.

I'm just judging by the style of the lettering. I should note that I'm using the term "lettering" somewhat liberally, here - the "lettering" on the reverse (fleur-de-lys in diamond) is just decorative gibberish, VAVAVAVAVAVAVA repeated around, and I can't clearly make out any coherent words on the obverse, either. It's entirely possible someone was simply making an "old-looking" jeton with deliberately archaic-looking letters, in which case it could belong to any time period. But if the lettering is anywhere near contemporary, then it can't be later than 1600.

Looking for information on another ID Required coin, I found this website which lists the one on the left as a Nuremberg jeton, of the type known as a "ship penny".