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Please Help Grade 1909 VDB Penny

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One of the coins I am planning to send in for grading eventually. Thank you.


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Very nice eye appeal.
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Nice looking coin, I say MS something.
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I am curious why you would want to send this in to be graded? The cost would likely take much of the value out of the coin. Also, I suspect the surfaces not to be original. They have a matte like finish and lots of hairlines as if it was exposed to a chemical cleaning.
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I feel that those hairlines are more along the lines of improper alloy mixing at the mint, known as a woody, like wood-grain texture on copper coins.

As to condition, looks anywhere from a 63-65 to my eyes, and no sign of the known DDOs that I know about...

with captainkurt on possible chemical cleaning, but not too severe and probably done long ago, and yes, probably not a good candidate for slabbing for his reasoning above...
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 Posted 03/11/2024  08:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ijn1944 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice example, yes. I have a few with a very similar look--grade-wise and subtle woody-like texture. I'm thinking MS62-64. Submission for grading is your call.
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Nice example, but not worth grading.
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regarding the surfaces, I'm not sure if this is natural or not. I can tell you that in order to be worth the slabbing costs that the coin would have to grade above 66 and PCGS shows 3 at that 66+ and none at 67. as for slabbing even if the coin did grade straight you are going to chew up the majority of the value of the coin in submission costs.

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Beautiful coin, hardly a hit or mark on it!

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Nice one but not full red. MS-66RB.
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I have this at 66rb
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I'll go with MS-66. Nice coin!
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Thank you for the comments. I bought this coin about 25 years ago for $40. I would only send it in as part of a group of coins and if it has a chance to make at least MS-65.

The surface definitely has some grainy color qualities, but seems to be the original luster and mirror-like surface finish...no pitting or bumps, etc. There are definitely no hairlines, no matter what angles I try with a loupe. I am open to the chemically cleaning, since the color and texture is something I am not used to seeing. Using my iPhone, I took some photos in sunlight coming in at about 45 degrees, next to other pennies for comparison: Brown, 1909 VDB, Red w/blotches.

The first two photos I posted above were taken under an electro-microscope with two side LEDs. These below are taken with an iPhone to help with the color and surface texture.


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For comparison:

Brown 1960, Orange 1960, 1909VDB, Cherry-Red 1982-D; Red 1991


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Guessing this is a BN coin however it grades.
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Nice color too! Sweet coin!


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I am open to the chemically cleaning, since the color and texture is something I am not used to seeing.


This is a normal toning pattern for these, I've seen many like it. The coin needs nothing other than a rinse in isopropanol (I like 100%) and then acetone. Just to remove any invisible fingerprints and stuff.
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