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1947 Copper/Nickel/Zinc Penny (Ml)

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Reposting with pictures - I recently came across a 1947 ML penny that unfortunately is not in perfect shape but is interesting nonetheless! I took it to the hock shop and it came out as a blend of 60 percent copper, 34-ish nickel, and the rest zinc. Any thoughts are appreciated! In the coin's past it was unfortunately scratched (I assume to test for plating), and nothing shows through. It's weakly magnetic which would come from the nickle content I imagine.


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@Lena91 The composition of 1942-1947 Canadian cents : - 98% Copper, 0.5% Tin, 1.5% Zinc (Bronze). So ..... something is wrong.

This composition includes the 1947 Maple Leaf minted in 1948. It is also non-magnetic.
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It's certainly become quite the mystery! The only other info I've come across is that in the UK 1947 was the year that silver denominations were shifted over to cupronickel, although they don't have planchets of the same size for the most part.
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The XRF's in hock shops and jewelry stroes are calibrated for Au and Ag. Copper and Zinc are alien to their machines. If there are scratches, gouges on your coin, it may throw the XRF for a loup. I wouldn't believe the XRF. You need a more advanced machine to tell you what kind of bronze that you have. We XRF'd about 1000 1859's for the research study that was published in the CN journal and all readings were 99% true and within tolerance. Find a real XRF that not for gold/silver
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Where would you find one - does ICCS or any other grading platform certify metal types? How would the technology differ between hock shop vs others?
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Cupro makes sense along with the other markers so far - colour, it's just a touch magnetic and not plated, and not silver (assuming the hock shop XRF detects silver well). I look forward to weighing it (just ordered a better scale than my kitchen scale) to see what the differences are between it and other pennies. It also is "aging" the same way cupronickels from the 80s do.
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It's going to cost big bucks to have a TPG test it. It's the cost of the machine that makes the difference .... you need a lab or a lab machine. I think that you have a normal 98/5/1.5 coinage bronze cent.
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Could it be grey/silver and magnetic if just copper/tin? I'm not sure that would match up
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What is the weight ? The shop used a hand held Fisher unit I presume and hello !
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I'll weigh it as soon as I get the more accurate scale - when weighed against normal pennies on my kitchen scale it seems a touch heavier but it's accurate to the g so really not helpful. They did not use a handheld XRF; it was a small box looking machine - I think it was the Thermo Scientific, Niton DXL. I made friends with the supervisor and am going to go in tomorrow to test regular pennies/nickels to see if they read correctly as well!
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Shame it was scratched along the way. That renders it a details coin, unfortunately.
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Yea it's unfortunate! I'm really interested in the possible history behind where it could have come from if cupronickel.. It wouldn't be highly graded anyway so I'm not entirely concerned about a grading one way or another - more just the how!
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Very interesting!
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