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As to the how. Research if the mint made coins that year for other countries. Get an accurate weight and size of your coin and try to match it to other coins from other countries minted that year. John1 
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New Member
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Thanks! I've already gone through the entire coinscanada list of foreign planchet production and there's nothing that matches up. The only close-ish piece was production for Newfoundland but nothing was cupronickel for them either at the time. !
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Canada
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Most likely the RCM was striking a token like a transit token or similar and this planchet got stuck in the buckets, almost 100% that the RCM did not stike foreign coins in this time period, other than scratch still a cool coin
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That's interesting... I didn't know the mint struck transit tokens, etc, so that's a new sector for me to dive into - thank you!!
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New Member
 Canada
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So just for some extra info - the weight comes in at 3.23g, as do my other 1947 pennies, so no difference there. I went back to the hock shop today to try out a science experiment - turns out that the machine has a variance of up to 5% from published values and can give some false readings at the <2% level (original reading with 1% palladium did not show up again). That being said, in my heart now I feel safe saying it's definately a cupro-nickel alloy of some sort as the machine did not display variances in the 30% range. Does anyone have a resource they find useful for parking/other tokens that the mint produced by year?
Thank you!
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Canada
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The Thermo Fisher XRF are quite accurate my advice is with the evidence you already have send to CCCS or PCGS and have it slabbed as a penny off metal strike it is kind of rare for this date. Trying to find what token, medal or whatever would not garner any more value. This I assume you want to sell it, if info is more important then you just have to start a lot of reaserch as the RCM as general does not be very helpfull
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ICCS does not grade errors
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Thank you so much for the insight and info; I'm not quite sure what I've decided on quite yet but will probably get it graded/certified so if the kids inherit it won't disappear!
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Canada
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If it helps any, I searched through Patrick Glassford's list of foreign countries the RCM struck coins for throughout the years (89 foreign countries) and the RCM struck no foreign coins in 1947. As for grading, PCGS will grade an error such as this if it is legitimate, but fair warning, it can be pricey sending coins in to be graded especially if you do not have access to a PCGS dealer. If no dealers are in your area, then you will need a PCGS membership that will cost $100.00 to be able to send them submissions. I have a few coins submitted to PCGS currently, one of which is a Canadian small cent struck on a foreign planchet, and for that single error, it cost upwards of $250.00 CAD (shipping both ways included). In total, you would be looking at $350.00 CAD minimum.
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I'm just assuming that it's nickel plated. It could have been scratched before it was plated, perhaps as a way to dupe someone. Am I wrong or can't these XRF things read below a thin layer of plating and show copper from a regular cent? Since RCM made no foreign coins in 1947, the only other theory I can think of is a foreign planchet stuck in a hopper from some previous year. Is there some reason no one else thinks it's plated?
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New Member
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For me, I don't think it's plated because of the magnetic pull I can feel. It's weak, but there, and I'm not sure a thin nickel plating would have the same effect. Cupronickels from the 80s at a 75/25 Cu/Ni ratio don't have any pull at all and it's my thinking that that extra 15ish percent nickel does just enough to allow for it.
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Assuming it's legitamite, would an "investment" in PCGS slab be worth it? How would PGCS determine legitimacy - would they just XRF test it as well? I have absolutely zero clue on price points and/or proper markets other than ebay if I were to try and sell it. Any thoughts?
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I still say that you should find a different XRF, maybe a University or school, that isn't set-up for Au & Ag primarily. There is someone on this site who has access to one and maybe he will chime in. If not, just call around for a pro model, so you know that you are chasing the real thing.
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The other way to test the accuratcy of the XRF machine is to take a 1947 penny and asked them nicely to zap it, if it falls in the range of a normal copper 47 penny you have your answer. Almost sure this 7 to 10 K machine is accurate, in close to 40 years of collecting errors have never seen a 1947 off metal strike, this is assuming this coin looks like a shiny nickel. In the right major auction like RCNA or FUN Heritage. probably at least 1000.00 or much more but this means a PCGS slabbing, Sean Isaac of Alliance Coins outside of Ottawa is a PCGS dealer in your neck of the woods and really cool to deal with.
Edited by john100 03/30/2024 12:39 pm
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Canada
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For really cool coins you must choose a major auction and not their regular monthly auctions simply there is more eyeballs on the major events as mentioned. PCGS I assume is using a 100 K XRF a more powerful machine, although if you watch the Oak Island treasure show they are using some high end XRF used by museum or university, good luck !
Edited by john100 03/30/2024 09:23 am
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