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Bedrock of the Community
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Hi everyone! A neighbor of mine occasionally picks up bags or boxes of coins when bidding at storage unit contents sales. He'll ask me to identify and value the coins, and he usually gives me anything of low value that I can use (such as current US and Euro coinage). His last batch included this 1694 Thaler:   This coin was in a box of junk that comprised recent pre-Euro European coins, some zinc Lincoln cents, a few common pre-decimal British pennies and various common current foreign coins, plus a cheap medallion commemorating the Falkland Islands War and an obviously fake Italian 1873 5 Lire - it's magnetic! So it wasn't the sort of box I'd expect to find a $2000 coin in! The Thaler weighs exactly 29g. It isn't magnetic. The edge is perfectly smooth and has no nicks or blemishes - it looks just like the edge on a 2024 Jefferson nickel! That to me screams "fake". But before I pass the bad news on to my neighbor, does anyone think I'm wrong and that it might be genuine? Thanks in advance! - Rob Edited by NumisRob
03/30/2024 5:04 pm
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Looks fake to me, e.g. the tip of the sword and shape of the number 4 compared to the three legit versions I'm seeing on numista. Have you performed a specific gravity test to show that it isn't silver? That copper- and green-colored staining also makes me nervous.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Thanks Spence. Unable to do a specific gravity test right now but it failed the tissue test! |
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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1694 is the pictured coin .
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United States
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Have absolutely zero expertise in these coins - but do note that your post states 1642 Thaler while I see a date of 1694 on the coin. I'm certain there is a reason for the discrepancy. Hope you get some real experts views on authenticity.  Take a look at my other hobby ... http://www.jk-dk.art |
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Bedrock of the Community
United Kingdom
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your post states 1642 Thaler while I see a date of 1694 on the coin Apologies. Corrected now. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Was just comparing this to an example from another site. First thing that comes to me is the softness in detail and difference in the nose and eye when comparing the two. While I have seen some of these, I sure don't know the series or die differences. But I'm not a fan of the one you posted being a real example and looks like a copy to me.  Edited by cointagous
03/30/2024 5:53 pm
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United States
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I see a huge difference between the OP's coin and the one cointagous just posted up.
It is the cloak or cape - it is on the right side of the coin but the wrinkles don't match up, but more so on the left - on cointagous's coin there is no cape, while on the OP_'s coin there is right behind the sword area. And the Star on the left is a different shape.
the letters (inscription is different too - I think that the last image is of a different coin altogether.
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04/03/2024 8:47 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
United Kingdom
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Thanks Dearborn.
I've returned the coin to my neighbor and told him it's probably a fake, but advised him to get it tested for silver.
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United States
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you bet - I had to stare at this coin for a long time until I saw the major differences...
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I guess they really WILL fake anything now.
For me it was a "one look fake" but I can see how it might be more dangerous for folks who don't have a lot of experience in German States coins or thalers.
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I do not know this series at all, but I have held a LOT of genuine Thalers of the era.
That coin screams "fake" to me - hard to give any specifics, but it just looks "off" on many fronts.
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For me it was a "one look fake" but I can see how it might be more dangerous for folks who don't have a lot of experience Quote:
That coin screams "fake" to me - hard to give any specifics, but it just looks "off" on many fronts. This and this. A superfake, this thing is not. Another instance here where if this piece ISN'T a "one-look" or close, you need to learn more before swimming in deep water. Edited by realeswatcher
04/08/2024 10:43 pm
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