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So this was in the bunch I bougt Think it will make ms60? It also have 2 top 100 vams I think VAM 13 wide reeding VAM 27A die gouges I have also found dots And I think some stars are doublestruck, Thankfull for your input    |
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Thank you, she is frosty but hard to photö  |
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Also 17 berries VAM, troubled girl this |
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I'll say AU.
Errers and Varietys.
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Coin is a nice AU55. A Morgan dollar can only have one VAM which refers to the combination of hub and dies used to strike the coin. In other words, it could be a VAM 1, or a VAM 2, but not both. Along those lines, 17 berries is not a VAM, but a reverse hub subtype (Type D1) There are several different VAMs within the 17 berry reverse group. Member ANA - EAC - TNA - SSDC - CCT #890 "Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done." -- Louis D. Brandeis |
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Thank you all helpfull as usuall Anyone have an opinion on that gash to the right of right wing? Die-error Looks similar to this  |
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Quote:Coin is a nice AU55. A Morgan dollar can only have one VAM which refers to the combination of hub and dies used to strike the coin. In other words, it could be a VAM 1, or a VAM 2, but not both. Along those lines, 17 berries is not a VAM, but a reverse hub subtype (Type D1) There are several different VAMs within the 17 berry reverse group. Thank you for this, I have barely scratched the surface  |
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It's not a mint error, just damage from being nicked with something. It's called post mint damage PMD. Some Morgan dollars were placed in circulation and show dents, scratches normal wear. Other Morgans were kept in mint bags in bank vaults, were never circulated but they can have scuffs, dents from touching each other in the bags. A lot of these bags were eventually sold. Morgans that never circulated are considered mint state even with imperfections. Liberty's hair and the eagle's breast show the first signs of circulation wear. Edited by livingwater
04/04/2024 4:58 pm
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Quote:It's not a mint error, just damage from being nicked with something. It's called post mint damage PMD. Some Morgan dollars were placed in circulation and show dents, scratches normal wear. Other Morgans were kept in mint bags in bank vaults, were never circulated but they can have scuffs, dents from touching each other in the bags. A lot of these bags were eventually sold. Morgans that never circulated are considered mint state even with imperfections. Liberty's hair and the eagle's breast show the first signs of circulation wear. Thank you for good explanation So in short its often handling wear that makes them Au or less, Not the dents from the bags. Its hard for to tell sometimes, but the wear on chest and hair is something I will look for. And seeing them in person must be essential. For me this coin looks pretty bruised but is still grade ms65 by ngc  But sometimes there is no luster due to toning etc but it still gets high grades. |
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So in short its often handling wear that makes them Au or less, Not the dents from the bags. correct consider what MS means. Mint State. you could conceivably call every coin MS. the grading scale of 1-70 could be used standalone to describe a coin without the assigned abbreviations like G,VG,F,VF,EF, AU,MS. the number just reflects close the coin is to perfection. now throw a monkey wrench into the whole thing, its possible to have an MS coin in circulation depending on how any deductions the coin has. the only difference between a grade 60 and a 70 is the number of marks, scratches, scuffs, loss of luster, color/toning, etc is present. if a coin doesn't show any signs of wear on the highest devices regardless if the coin was circulated it could still be an MS coin. sometimes there are lightly circulated coins with very minimal wear that is hardly perceptible and we call those sliders as they look MS but actually were circulated. hopefully this doesn't mess up your brain too much. on the MS65 coin you posted I'm not sure what you mean by bruised up. I think what you are seeing is toning and FYI under that toning the coin has full luster. it takes a good eye to see through the toning and looking at tons of coins. your coin exhibits wear on both sides with broken luster on both sides. i'd also grade your coin AU55 best advice...review coins posted for grading. make an assessment without looking at any comments then review the comments to see how you did. don't get frustrated as a lot of folks here have decades of experience and we are still learning. |
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on the MS65 coin you posted I'm not sure what you mean by bruised up. I think what you are seeing is toning and FYI under that toning the coin has full luster. it takes a good eye to see through the toning and looking at tons of coins.
your coin exhibits wear on both sides with broken luster on both sides. i'd also grade your coin AU55
best advice...review coins posted for grading. make an assessment without looking at any comments then review the comments to see how you did. don't get frustrated as a lot of folks here have decades of experience and we are still learning would like to have the pictured 65 any day:) The tricky part for me is the gap between au58 and low ms coins, I have looked at grading so I understand it somewhat in theory. Its frustrating and interesting :) . But I lurk in the other threads, good advice to grade them before I look what you grade. The part from ms62-68 I'm not even triying to grasp yet since those coins rarely are up for sale here graded |
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consider what MS means. Mint State. you could conceivably call every coin MS. the grading scale of 1-70 could be used standalone to describe a coin without the assigned abbreviations like G,VG,F,VF,EF, AU,MS. the number just reflects close the coin is to perfection.
now throw a monkey wrench into the whole thing, its possible to have an MS coin in circulation depending on how any deductions the coin has. the only difference between a grade 60 and a 70 is the number of marks, scratches, scuffs, loss of luster, color/toning, etc is present. if a coin doesn't show any signs of wear on the highest devices regardless if the coin was circulated it could still be an MS coin. sometimes there are lightly circulated coins with very minimal wear that is hardly perceptible and we call those sliders as they look MS but actually were circulated. hopefully this doesn't mess up your brain too much.
on the MS65 coin you posted I'm not sure what you mean by bruised up. I think what you are seeing is toning and FYI under that toning the coin has full luster. it takes a good eye to see through the toning and looking at tons of coins.
Thank you for that description, very helpful!
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The tricky part for me is the gap between au58 and low ms coins, even to the most seasoned collectors this can be a challenge. especially when grading from photos where the coin cannot be rotated in the proper lighting. add to that various years where the strike was not full and sharp and it takes decades of grading to call a hight end 58 with an MS coin. one thing for certain, its extremely doubtful that you will have a choice between an AU58 coin and a MS60, 61 or even a 62 coin. these grades include a high number of nicks and bag marks which would not be seen on an AU58. so if you are pulling your hair out grading a coin that might be 58, for the most part, your only choices would be MS63 or 64. if was a 65 you would not even have that thought. rotating the coin in proper light you will probably see missing luster and dull areas. bottom line...you either have a 58 or 63 coin OR a 58 or 64 coin. at least that will help narrow it down. just a side note, i'd rather have a really nice 58 than a crappy 60, 61 or 62 coin in almost all cases |
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