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1879-S Morgan Dollar

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 Posted 04/13/2024  04:21 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add denkan to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi,

I belive this one would get at PL grade if sent in to a TPG but I am not sure about the grade. Obverse hold it back to MS62?



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 Posted 04/13/2024  06:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Moniker to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks pl to me imho, but wait for more experienced opinion.
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 Posted 04/13/2024  07:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add denkan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Moniker: those lines a raised. They polishied the dies before stikeing the coins. They are called Die-polishing lines and are not to be confused with lines/scratches from rubbing
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I think it has a shot at MS-63PL
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 Posted 04/13/2024  08:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'll say MS-63PL.
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 Posted 04/13/2024  09:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add paralyse to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Agree with 63PL, nice Morgan!
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I'm in the 63PL box. my only concern is that the hit on the breast has displaced metal. there is a possibility the coin could details for that
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Moniker: those lines a raised. They polishied the dies before stikeing the coins.


Thank you for explanation, beautiful coin
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 Posted 04/13/2024  10:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
one way to tell the difference Moniker is if the lines do not cross over devices
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one way to tell the difference Moniker is if the lines do not cross over devices


Do you mean over Liberty eagle and stars and text etc?
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I believe there are just too many hits on the obverse to be any higher that MS61. PL must show clear reflection in the fields on both sides from 2-4 inches away.
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m25s DMPL must show clear reflection in the fields on both sides at least 6 inches away.
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Whoops, sorry I doubled up on the videos, but I think you will understand the difference between PL and DMPL.
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I believe there are just too many hits on the obverse to be any higher that MS61. PL must show clear reflection in the fields on both sides from 2-4 inches away.


True but pcgs also says

Cloudiness or striations may impede the reflectivity on eligible Prooflike coins

Cloudiness is that toning they refer to?
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Cloudiness is also referred to as haze and is a form of toning. Anything that impedes the reflectiveness of the surfaces can affect the definition of pl or dpl. I see someone posted some videos which should help in explaining the difference. Meanwhile I'm also at MS-63PL.
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Yes I read it as it may impede reflectivity and that it is ok on a pl designated coin

What Are the Standards for a Prooflike Coin?
PCGS has a set standard for designating a given coin as Prooflike, or "PL." These grading standards are the following:

There must be a clear reflection in the fields on both sides of the coin as viewed from two to four inches away.
Cloudiness or striations may impede the reflectivity on eligible Prooflike coins.
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With all the facial marks I can't get above MS-62PL.
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