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1916-P Mercury Dime, Counterfeit Or Pattern?

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Hey all,

Have this in the mail right now so all I've got are pictures from the original listing, but I was aware of the 1916 pattern dimes so any time I'd see a 1916-p mercury I would look a little extra to see if anything was out of place or if it matched one of the known judd patterns.

This one doesn't seem to match any of the listed ones, but doesn't look like a production design either.

I figured odds are that it's counterfeit, but it also doesn't seem to match any of the known counterfeit coins. Besides, I couldn't find anything or any reason why there'd be a 1916 counterfeit dime that wouldn't be with a Denver mint mark.

Anyone know what might be the deal with this one?


Normal production dime on bottom, the one I'm referring to is on the top


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Tell us, @HolyHack, what do you see specifically about this coin that makes you suspicious, other than the mouth perhaps?
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The date is wonky. Much more space on both sides of the second "1", and the loops of both the "9" and the "6" are closed.
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I'm confused by the way you have presented the photos.

Which photo is the supposed pattern?

Please show in-focus photos of the coin in question without any other comparison examples so we can tell what you are asking about. Thanks
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On review, the date is clearly wonky.
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The date is strange.
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I'm thinking altered date now, like from 1943, maybe 1945. The 9-loop matches, and the 4 can be shaved to a 1. Why someone did this, I can't say.
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@Alpha2184 All I have currently are the pictures from the listing which were cut in half. I mentioned in the post that the pics of the one in the mail were the top pictures. The coin is being delivered tomorrow so I'll re-update with pics from my microscope then, including pictures of the entire front and back instead of two pieces that I combined to make the obverse and reverse like I have here.

Regarding what I see that makes me think it's an oddity, I'll give a list here in a moment. About to drive home from work, so it'll be prolly 30 minutes or so.
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Why someone did this, I can't say.


Practice - slip it out there and see if it passes muster before they start on the D
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In the loop of the 9, it seems smaller and more circular compared to the 1943 date, and it connects all the way on making an enclosed loop which makes it different than the 1916

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Serifs all over seem to be softer, but this could be just wear or damage.

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Serifs all over seem to be softer, but this could be just wear or damage.

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The 'hole' on the end of the stem seems to be smaller and differently shaped than either of the other two examples -- but once again, this could be wear or damage

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The middle band, to me, seems to be thicker than the top and bottom

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Kind of irritating, but it's two days late in the mail as of now. Will update when it arrives (allegedly) tomorrow.
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Coin showed up and unfortunately it was not the one pictured in the listing. Just a regular 1916. Guy denies completely that it's not the same one listed, so either he knows and swapped it out before shipping or he just has it all wrong as far as how his inventory is organized. Either way it's the same for me
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Interesting and thanks for the extra images.
Your coin images seem to be lacking in sharpness to the devices. I would expect a pattern piece to be well defined.

The images of the dates seem to show your coin wasn't altered from a 1943 coin to these eyes.

One thing on the reverse that stands out to me is that the stem from the lowest group of leaves on the right seems to be missing.

I would have passed on it anyways thinking it might be counterfeit.


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