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1869 P Seated Half Dollar At 'Legitimate' Coin Shop

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Saw this today and it's the reason I am so wary of coins in Rome.... This is being sold at a "legitimate" coin shop...


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 Posted 04/30/2024  10:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add panzaldi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
what are you seeing Roma?
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 Posted 04/30/2024  11:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Roma2021 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
To my eye....a very fake 1869 half dollar... Am I missing something? Soft details, no luster despite being UNC?

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 Posted 04/30/2024  11:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Soft details? Look at those stars!
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If fake, it would fool me.
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They can come slightly mushy as some of the dies were used into a late die state. I don't see any red flags although the photos are not the best to tell for certain.
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Here are a few more photos...


Admittedly, I have not handled a seated half before. And after the commemoratives I posted a few weeks ago I am inherently apprehensive.

Further thoughts would be appreciated.


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 Posted 04/30/2024  1:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The photos just aren't clear enough to determine authenticity.
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It looks polished and/or whizzed. It does appear genuine. This is a slightly better date but in that condition is not worth a lot. It wouldn't even consider paying $100 USD for it. $50 USD maybe but if I were you I'd just move along.

Here is a far superior piece that sold for $154 on Heritage last year: https://coins.ha.com/itm/seated-hal...tion-071515#
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Thank you everyone.

In hand... Especially after the commemoratives I recently posted... I didn't have a great feeling on this one.

It's priced well higher than retail and I'm not interested but this has been a decent way to learn the coin.

Thanks again...
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 Posted 04/30/2024  4:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NumismaticsFTW to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't see obvious signs like you claim, what jumped out as counterfeit?
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@NumismaticsFTW - there was no trace of a luster on a coind that doesn't show much circulation wear; I saw four questionally counterfeit commemorative half dollars about two weeks ago; there looked to be some non-bag mark holes in the fields; the details on the feathers were soft - almost animated vs solidly struck; maybe the whizzing made the coin look and feel too bright in hand? I also haven't handled this coin before. Does that make sense?
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I'm not convinced the coin is genuine, just can't tell with these photos.
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Looks ok to me!
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i can't find any markers that would indicate it was not genuine. however, I would call it cleaned

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