1943 S Washington Quarter - Doubled Die Obverse / DDO + Trumpet MM

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HumblePie Pillar of the Community United States 1217 Posts	Posted 05/01/2024 2:25 pm I found this 43s interesting and a bit of a head scratcher. This coin as you see is listed to have a DDO. I believe it to be DDO-015 on Variety Vista. (link below) http://www.varietyvista.com/09a%20W...3SDDO015.htm What interest me more about this coin is that it has the FS-501 Trumpet Tail mint mark. The TTMM is a rare find on the 1943 S. What has me scratching my head is, I have never seen or own a 1943 S that has a TTMM paired with any DDO. All of the DDO examples on VV do not show any TTMM on the reverse as well. This DDO here still has a PUP on the obverse that I have always seen with the TTMM on the reverse. It is what I believe to be a die gouge that is just above the hair curl that is located above the ear. All of the PCGS examples of the TTMM that can be seen will have this die gouge (link below pcgs coin facts 17 examples) https://www.pcgs.com/coinfacts/coin...mages/147863 I would like to hear any opinions at all on this one. Thanks! Report this Post to the Staff

Dearborn Moderator United States 95517 Posts	Posted 05/01/2024 2:35 pm While I'm no expert on the MM's here , but I'll be paying close attention to this to see what the others have to say. BTW - nice DDO on it.. Collecting since 1972. Learning from then on "Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn." - Benjamin Franklin 7070 type set coin count: 51/76 Uncirculated American Silver Eagles My American Silver Eagle Proof Collection Sacagawea Dollars Innovation Dollars Eisenhower-Dollars Kennedy-Half Dollars Washington-Quarters Roosevelt-Dimes Buffalo-Nickels 1938-2005 Jefferson-Nickels Lincoln-Cents Report this Post to the Staff
jbuck Moderator United States 188130 Posts	Posted 05/01/2024 4:55 pm Very nice! Coin Collector Since 1978 Avatar Old Avatar 7070 Eisenhower Australia Canada World CCF Members on eBay CCF eBay Search Engine Report this Post to the Staff
Seeker_101 Pillar of the Community United States 1791 Posts	Posted 05/01/2024 6:05 pm Not an expert of any kind but the MM on your coin resembles a regular 1943 S as shown on PCGS and on VV, it doesn't seem to match any of the RPM listings. I'm interested to see what the experts say. Report this Post to the Staff
HumblePie Pillar of the Community United States 1217 Posts	Posted 05/01/2024 6:19 pm Quote: Not an expert of any kind but the MM on your coin resembles a regular 1943 S as shown on PCGS and on VV, it doesn't seem to match any of the RPM listings Here is a link that will show the Trumpet Tail mint mark. http://varietyvista.com/25%20What%2...0quarter.htm Report this Post to the Staff
-makecents- Pillar of the Community United States 8743 Posts	Posted 05/01/2024 6:38 pm The only explanation I can think of is that the reverse die was changed out. Does either side of the coin look like it came from a much older die the other side? -makecents- Report this Post to the Staff
Dearborn Moderator United States 95517 Posts	Posted 05/01/2024 7:04 pm nice question Makecents.. Collecting since 1972. Learning from then on "Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn." - Benjamin Franklin 7070 type set coin count: 51/76 Uncirculated American Silver Eagles My American Silver Eagle Proof Collection Sacagawea Dollars Innovation Dollars Eisenhower-Dollars Kennedy-Half Dollars Washington-Quarters Roosevelt-Dimes Buffalo-Nickels 1938-2005 Jefferson-Nickels Lincoln-Cents Report this Post to the Staff
HumblePie Pillar of the Community United States 1217 Posts	Posted 05/01/2024 7:30 pm Here are some scope close-ups. Here is the "die gouge" I always see when a 1943 s has a TTMM. This will be seen on all of the 17 PCGS examples. Report this Post to the Staff
-makecents- Pillar of the Community United States 8743 Posts	Posted 05/01/2024 7:51 pm Alright, I think I up to speed now. So, the fact that it is a DDO but has the gouge on the obverse is your issue, right? The other examples you have seen, have the obverse gouge and the 002 mm style paired together but not a DDO. If that's the case, then more than likely, the gouge on the obverse is from a working hub or maybe even a master die. I'm not that familiar with quarters, so you will have to bear with me. Let me know if I'm on the right track now. -makecents- Edited by -makecents- 05/01/2024 7:53 pm Report this Post to the Staff
HumblePie Pillar of the Community United States 1217 Posts	Posted 05/01/2024 8:04 pm Quote: Alright, I think I up to speed now. So, the fact that it is a DDO but has the gouge on the obverse is your issue, right? The other examples you have seen, have the obverse gouge and the 002 mm style paired together but not a DDO Yes exactly that. The DDO is what I have never seen on all the 43s that have the TTMM on the reverse. The "die gouge" over the ear is something that I always see. Thank you for taking the time on this to help make some sense of it! Report this Post to the Staff
-makecents- Pillar of the Community United States 8743 Posts	Posted 05/01/2024 8:09 pm Cool! I would say, if you look at more 43 S coins, you will find this obverse gouge with the other mm style too. The gouge is more than likely from a working hub, you just happened upon the trifecta. -makecents- Report this Post to the Staff
Errers and Varietys Bedrock of the Community United States 73978 Posts	Posted 05/01/2024 10:15 pm Nice DDO. Errers and Varietys. Report this Post to the Staff
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1943 S Washington Quarter - DDO + Trumpet MM