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xshift Pillar of the Community United States 2669 Posts	Posted 04/26/2009 06:49 am The Hibernia was struck over another - I'm trying to figure out what. I can make out "ERIN" on one side, and some other letters on the other... and NIA in HIBERNIA is over top some other letters. Part of the design of the first coin appears to the left of the bust of the 2nd (flipped image provided) and I've taken some close-ups of the pertinent areas. From what I've been able to dig up, this is a 1815 ONE POUND VALUE FOR 240 (Ed Burke left) / HIBERNIA Hibernia Dublin Penny. ERIN could be ERIN GO BRAGH.. a prior penny? Does anyone have any pictures of these to compare the underlying design? Contrast waaaay way up: This has been way sharpened: Thanks in advance for any help! Edited by Sap 05/09/2009 08:13 am Report this Post to the Staff

Peter THOMAS Pillar of the Community Australia 2830 Posts	Posted 04/26/2009 10:22 am G'day, interesting piece ! 1815 was the year of Waterloo, and coinage was very short in Britain. From about 1811, numerous tokens, in copper, and in silver, had been issued. One English pound = 240 pennies. I haven't previously seen a "Britannia" quite like this one: with a harp on the shield. Peter in Oz Report this Post to the Staff
xshift Pillar of the Community United States 2669 Posts	Posted 04/26/2009 11:40 am Hi Peter.. I haven't been able to find a reference to that either. I have an older token book though.. since you mention tokens I will look in there... didn't even think about that, thanks What's also odd is the missing letters in POUND and VALUE, and in between them there's a very clear "18(hole)" -- usually coins aren't struck with the date on both sides. Report this Post to the Staff
xshift Pillar of the Community United States 2669 Posts	Posted 05/03/2009 04:16 am Here we go... from: https://www.rarecoin.com/QnA/answr2.html The penny sized piece you own may have originally been issued for political propaganda rather than general commerce. It depicts Edmund Burke (1730-1797) the renowned author, orator, and statesman. This Dublin native, as Secretary to Prime Minister Lord Rockingham, helped delay the outbreak of the American Revolutionary War by advocating conciliation rather than coercion. He wrote three great speeches on the American struggle: A Letter to the Sheriff's of Bristol 1772, American Taxation 1774, and Con- ciliation with the Colonies 1775. His 1790 writing "Reflections on the Revolution in France" provoked Thomas Paine to reply with "Rights of Man". This token was issued with the stated value of "one pound for 240" and the reverse features Hibernian holding an olive branch next to an oval shield bearing the Irish harp with the exergue marked 1815. These pieces were designed by the diesinker Parkes and most likely were overstruck on earlier James Stephens' copper tokens. Most examples are usually seen in low grades and can be valued at $25 to $35. A picture of a non-overstruck version can be found here (scroll down to #52): https://www.irish-tokens.co.uk/spli...%20davis.htm Here: https://www.irish-tokens.co.uk/batty.htm starting at: 877 O.- Laurelled Bust to left, "Wellington & Erin go Bragh 1813." is a whole slew of potential overstrike-ees Report this Post to the Staff
Sap Moderator Australia 16817 Posts	Posted 05/03/2009 10:44 pm Numbers 17 to 21 in the copper section is the undertype for your coin: you can clearly see the TEPH from STEPHENS to the left of Hibernia's knees. The date on the undertype is 1813; your "second date" is (hole)813. Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis Edited by Sap 05/03/2009 10:46 pm Report this Post to the Staff
xshift Pillar of the Community United States 2669 Posts	Posted 05/04/2009 2:54 pm Thanks Sap I love this coin! Report this Post to the Staff
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