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Liag49 Valued Member United States 104 Posts	Posted 06/06/2024 12:27 pm Hoping someone will know what this is - I've tried but can't identify it. I posted on the world coin forum since it looks like a crown on the crest and the DEF makes me think it's form Britain. Other than that I can't make out any other details to search. weight: 11.12 gm diameter about 35 mm Thanks for looking Edited by Liag49 06/06/2024 3:52 pm Report this Post to the Staff

erafjel Pillar of the Community Sweden 2124 Posts	Posted 06/06/2024 1:08 pm Measurements do not match, but otherwise it looks very much like this countermarked Brazilian coin: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces22267.html Report this Post to the Staff
Liag49 Valued Member United States 104 Posts	Posted 06/06/2024 3:54 pm Thank you soooooo much. I think you're right. Obviously I made a mistake with the size. 30 centimeters would be quite a big coin It's about 35 mm. It looks like some of the edge is worn off and it's slightly bent, which would add a little to the diameter if flattened. The weight difference I believe can be due to loss of material and the hole that was punched out. All things considered I think you nailed it! Unfortunately we'll never know the date. Report this Post to the Staff
Sap Moderator Australia 16810 Posts	Posted 06/06/2024 5:48 pm Technically, we know the date of the countermark: 1835, because that's the year Brazil recalled and countermarked its coinage. The undertype date ought to be just to the left of the "R" mintmark at the bottom of the first pic. I can't see it clearly in the pic but it might be clearer in hand. Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis Report this Post to the Staff
Dearborn Moderator United States 95360 Posts	Posted 06/06/2024 7:07 pm yep, a 20 reis Brazilian countermarked coin Collecting since 1972. Learning from then on "Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn." - Benjamin Franklin 7070 type set coin count: 51/76 Uncirculated American Silver Eagles My American Silver Eagle Proof Collection Sacagawea Dollars Innovation Dollars Eisenhower-Dollars Kennedy-Half Dollars Washington-Quarters Roosevelt-Dimes Buffalo-Nickels 1938-2005 Jefferson-Nickels Lincoln-Cents Report this Post to the Staff
Liag49 Valued Member United States 104 Posts	Posted 06/06/2024 8:48 pm Great info. I found the thread on this forum from 2010 which explains the history of these countermarked coins. This is totally new to me and quite interesting. Since haven't found any other examples with punch outs I assume that it was PMD, not done during the counter marking. Unfortunately there is nothing discernible before the R. Thanks for the help. Report this Post to the Staff
jecz79 Pillar of the Community Portugal 655 Posts	Posted 06/07/2024 8:40 pm This is a brazilian coin with a complicated history. Regional issues, doubling of value with stamps, imported fakes, some struck on colonial era coins. Much to amuse oneself exploring these stamped coins. Report this Post to the Staff
Sap Moderator Australia 16810 Posts	Posted 06/08/2024 01:49 am Quote: Since haven't found any other examples with punch outs I assume that it was PMD, not done during the counter marking. Yes, the hole is "just damage". The interesting (and amusing) part of the Brazilian early bronze series is the attitude to counterfeits. The number and quality of the counterfeits was so high, people basically just stopped caring. So today, counterfeits - if they can be identified as counterfeit - are worth just as much as genuine coins. It's one of the few coinage series globally where the attitude is "Counterfeit? Who cares?". Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis Report this Post to the Staff
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